Obama Government Shutdown?

[LogGrad98]

We need to teach people how to buy food that will feed them for a whole month. Both those that abuse the system and those that need it are all making the same mistake. They buy way too much junk and frozen dinners. They use all of their money on food that will last two weeks and the last two, they are barely scraping by. Most families that are not on food stamps find ways to eat for a whole month on less than what the government is providing through its food stamp program.

What is the old cliche... Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime (or a least a whole month...)

No I think it is, build a man a fire and he is warm for a day, light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life.

 

[gregbroncs]

That's very stereotypical. I'm a Republican myself, but I at least have enough experience with poor people to recognize that there are many reasons why they are poor, and unwillingness to work is only one of many. Others include: no jobs in the area, no ability to get out of the area, no education to qualify you for the jobs that do exist, no education to help you realize what you need to do to get a job, no culture to teach you that working and education are important. And so forth.

All I know is that every time taxes go up it seems like the middle class (which I will probably always be part of) take the brunt of it. And it seems like democrats push to help every group that can't help themselves. Including giving Social security to people who have never paid into it. I disagree with the republicans seemingly non stop effort to cut taxes for the rich. I can't stand that they don't seem to think the rich should pay their fair share. But at least they don't seem to give the money to everybody. I'm not against my taxes going to help the poor. I disagree with the concept that giving it to them for free is the answer. At least make those people getting assistance earn it in some way.

 

[♪alt13]

Let's not cloud the issue with generalities - this is about Obamacare. And as I already illustrated it has been debated, passed and signed into law. So you're saying the democrats should compromise on a fight they've already won?

Horrible logic bro. Jim crow laws were passed and signed into law. btw I am not relating obamacare to jim crow just saying that your criteria is weak. The republicans will have a majority control of the government again someday soon and I bet you will have changed your tune then.

 

[Sneakers]

Horrible logic bro. Jim crow laws were passed and signed into law. btw I am not relating obamacare to jim crow just saying that your criteria is weak. The republicans will have a majority control of the government again someday soon and I bet you will have changed your tune then.

Jim Crow laws were state laws. Nothing to do with a presidential election or with the greater American population as a whole. So your little metaphor / logic breaks down pretty quickly as well.

 

[♪alt13]

Our national government has become completely out of touch with the people they serve. From the President to the Senate to the House of Representatives they ALL have major flaws. Our government on a federal level is more about the show and the glitz than they are about the meat and potatoes. Draft a law with input from people who know? Read? Be informed? Spend time actually doing my job instead of speaking to people about how special I am?.. that can't be right? I wanna see somebody put their money where their mouth is and refuse their federal pay and subject themselves to the same laws we all get. And LIFETIME benefits? That is bull! I con't claim to have all the answers, but what our government has become needs reform. Democracy is still worth it, just not like this.


My $0.02

How can they not be out of touch. A Us representative is literally 1 in a million and the Senate is even worse. The revolutionary war was fought in part over "taxation without representation". I ask at what point has the US population ballooned so large as to make that representation meaningless. I say we split the US into three countries with separate legislative bodies under one constitution and one supreme court(each nation would appoint 3)

 

[♪alt13]

Jim Crow laws were state laws. Nothing to do with a presidential election or with the greater American population as a whole. So your little metaphor / logic breaks down pretty quickly as well.

BS state law or not. I was Illustrating that part of what makes this country work is repealing/overturning laws. I don't vote for either party(I do vote) so don't think that I am backing the gop on this. I don't think the "we already passed it deal with it" argument is healthy. The Patriot Act was passed and signed into law and I still want that piece of garbage repealed.

 

[Sneakers]

BS state law or not. I was Illustrating that part of what makes this country work is repealing/overturning laws. I don't vote for either party(I do vote) so don't think that I am backing the gop on this. I don't think the "we already passed it deal with it" argument is healthy. The Patriot Act was passed and signed into law and I still want that piece of garbage repealed.

You do understand the difference between Obamacare and the Patriot Act, right? Nobody ran on a platform of Patriot Act. I think the Obamacare argument being put forward here is less "it's law, leave it" and more "it was an essential part of the winning presidential campaign" and what's more "anti-Obamacare was an even more substantial part of the losing campaign". Mandates and all that. It's different.

 

[moevillini]

Shutting down the government is not what they were elected to do.

Particularly when they are still getting paid....
(I wonder about their staff members...)


EDIT: found one answer

...the reality is that Congress is now the only class explicitly protected by the Constitution from financial pain in the event that they themselves fail to fund regular government operations. Even their own congressional staff members will be furloughed or go to work on Capitol Hill without the promise of getting paid once the dust settles.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/30/how-congress-will-still-get-paid-in-a-government-shutdown.html

 

[Stoked]

You do understand the difference between Obamacare and the Patriot Act, right? Nobody ran on a platform of Patriot Act. I think the Obamacare argument being put forward here is less "it's law, leave it" and more "it was an essential part of the winning presidential campaign" and what's more "anti-Obamacare was an even more substantial part of the losing campaign". Mandates and all that. It's different.

When an overwhelming reversal in the house happens and gives it to the opposing party that kind of stops any mandate talk.

 

[Sneakers]

When an overwhelming reversal in the house happens and gives it to the opposing party that kind of stops any mandate talk.

Sorry, who won the 2012 election? It's absurd that the 'opposing party' thinks they have any claim to this. Half of Romney's entire campaign was anti-Obamacare and he got his *** kicked. A gerrymandered House of Rep's doesn't change that.

 

[Stoked]

Sorry, who won the 2012 election? It's absurd that the 'opposing party' thinks they have any claim to this. Half of Romney's entire campaign was anti-Obamacare and he got his *** kicked. A gerrymandered House of Rep's doesn't change that.

Gerrymandered my butt. They won it in response to the democratic control. People didn't want a mandate.

 

[Sneakers]

Gerrymandered my butt. They won it in response to the democratic control. People didn't want a mandate.

What are you talking about bro? The 2010 election? ****'s sake man Obama(care) won this most recent election. Get yer head out the past, it doesn't matter anymore. Dems got more HoR votes then Pubs last November as well.