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Dalamon hath decreed that finding comparisons for the core 5 is not repetitive. Carry on.......
Core 4 (or 5) comparisons
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Some strange yearning wants me to compare Favors to Isaiah Thomas. Thoughts?
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[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];672674 said:
You are the only person bitching about this, so truly idgaf.
Gotta love NAOS. Bitches about nobody talking basketball-- then when we do, he bitches because not everyone surfs the board 24/7, and is 100% aware of every topic that is discussed ever.
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Thoughts?
Your jokes are far-and-beyond the worst on Jazzfanz.
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Sir......................s, Been a long time since i have posted anything, but being possibly one of the few members who actually remember a young Moses Malone i can tell you that at about Derrick's present age Moses was not anything like the "bull-of-a-man" we all fondly remember scattering bodies around the courts of the NBA. He was slim and could jump like a pogo stick with a motor. It was said that he could jump and then relaunch himself faster than any man alive. Four or five years later he started to fill out those shoulders and became a legendary rebounder. Derrick was seemingly born with those shoulders and will have his own path to follow and we can all hope that he approaches Malone's stature as a player. I would not expect Favors to ever be the rebounder that Moses was but has the possibility of being as good or even better scorer if he develops right and listens closely enough to the other Malone. Small sidelight to your excellent post.
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You're a STG lover so you are a sheeple. You do not understand the unique greatness that is HUGE! He is busy whisking women off their feet and does not have the time to reply to your repetative nonsense.
Got your back Huge.
So what you are telling me is that Jeremy Evans will be Moses malone? Score!!!
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Poor Dal. If you don't like my joke, what about this one:
If you don't think these kind of comps are repetitive, then you're just ****ing trolling. This was the central theme of the entire offseason (well, that + EYE).
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This is a moderator.
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Poor me?
I just laugh at them, and skim over it. Not that hard, tbh. If I can put up with the repetitive comps, then I'm sure your extra of decade of maturity should make it even easier for you.
I was going to start a thread on this, but might as well dump it in here.
Back in 05-06, Sloan ran a very jump shot heavy offense that didn't need a facilitator to rack up a **** ton of assists. I think the reason for his decision was the incredibly talented group rebounding he had - Memo, Boozer, AK, Harpring - who could clean up a lot of missed shots for easy put backs or resetting the offense as they did a lot.
Williams only averaged 4.5 assists per game. AK added 4.3 but he didn't do it in the way we would expect Hayward to this season. They only needed a point guard to dribble the ball up, pass to AK on the left wing, who waited patiently for the offense to develop a decent mid-range jumper. He got assists that way.
Matt Harpring played a huge 2 on that team. The way he was utilized is the way I'd like to see Hayward utilized by having him come off screens for jumpers with the ability to cut to the basket as well.
Dala go home. You've had too much night train for this early in the morning.
It doesn't have to be. The point of the thread was seeing what other comps/emulation targets people would come up with. I liked the idea of grafting some Harp skills into Hayward's game. That's it.
Personally I don't want to see him be more like Josh Howard or Richard Jefferson and I didn't think pre-injury Grant Hill was remotely possible. Mike Miller is more intriguing although I don't like the defensive sieve nature of his game.
I didn't insult you. I'm just aware of the fact that you were 11 when the season that I'm talking about happened. I doubt you have extremely strong memories of it and Harp, unlike Moses, doesn't exactly get lengthy NBATV highlight reels and marathons made for him. It's the same reason that I would expect people to be more familiar with how Jerry West played than with the playing style of Happy Hairston. Twenty years from now people may still be familiar with Bernard King even though they never saw him play because he lives on forever. Charles Smith won't be thought of much.
That would certainly be regression on that one specific metric. That being said the efficiency numbers would be high enough that while I might be disappointed, I wouldn't be "absolutely furious."
Again, this was about grafting one skill set on to an existing skill set, not becoming a carbon copy of one player.
Ok. I might be wrong as well. I'm sure there are better comps that exist (although I like the Jamal Crawford one a lot) because I don't have a perfect knowledge of the breadth of NBA history. Not all of these were designed to be aspirational.
Skin color had nothing to do with it dal. I'm a big believer in cross-racial comparisons and you don't get to play the race card that irresponsibly.
Again, I would say that the season I'm describing the differences were not as large as you might think.
It doesn't have to be. The point of the thread was seeing what other comps/emulation targets people would come up with. I liked the idea of grafting some Harp skills into Hayward's game. That's it.
Personally I don't want to see him be more like Josh Howard or Richard Jefferson and I didn't think pre-injury Grant Hill was remotely possible. Mike Miller is more intriguing although I don't like the defensive sieve nature of his game.
I didn't insult you. I'm just aware of the fact that you were 11 when the season that I'm talking about happened. I doubt you have extremely strong memories of it and Harp, unlike Moses, doesn't exactly get lengthy NBATV highlight reels and marathons made for him. It's the same reason that I would expect people to be more familiar with how Jerry West played than with the playing style of Happy Hairston. Twenty years from now people may still be familiar with Bernard King even though they never saw him play because he lives on forever. Charles Smith won't be thought of much.
That would certainly be regression on that one specific metric. That being said the efficiency numbers would be high enough that while I might be disappointed, I wouldn't be "absolutely furious."
Again, this was about grafting one skill set on to an existing skill set, not becoming a carbon copy of one player.
Ok. I might be wrong as well. I'm sure there are better comps that exist (although I like the Jamal Crawford one a lot) because I don't have a perfect knowledge of the breadth of NBA history. Not all of these were designed to be aspirational.
Skin color had nothing to do with it dal. I'm a big believer in cross-racial comparisons and you don't get to play the race card that irresponsibly.
Again, I would say that the season I'm describing the differences were not as large as you might think.
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Yeah, poor you. You've got that GD thread on speed dial, so you're obviously affected. Keep struggin bro.
Sirkicky - back to your Evans at 3 suggestion, the reason I looked back at that offense was to see if Evans could play that AK role. I think he could, especially if his jump shot is better than the king of air balling three pointers. Favors-Kanter-Evans-Hayward-Burke. Big.
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Nice edit ^
How many lil conflicts are you gonna wiggle your way into today? Hopefully some family quarrel follows your jazzfanz quarrels. What a day.
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I don't think Evans can play the three. Not nearrrrrrly enough evidence that he has a shot. Plus, what are you seeing that resembles ball-handling skills? I'm glad he'll get minutes, but it's probably as a backup 4.
Excellent point. I'd forgotten about that specific wrinkle of the scheme during that period.
Post more often.
I'm not certain about the age thing. If Moses developed those shoulders 4-5 years in that would put him at 22-23 years old (since he started right out of high school). That's basically right where Favors is now.
The point about being born with those shoulders is very valid, and obviously we can all hope that Favors turns his talents into Malone-esque achievements.
I post occasionally, I think I posted just yesterday about how unimpressive a Trey Burke "highlight" was.
The reality is that the majority of basketball talk on jazzfanz isn't worth responding to and the good bits get drowned out in a horrendous ****show. I find it's better for my depression to not wade knee deep.
Does Evans have the passing skill for it? I think that's the biggest question. We haven't seen a lot of evidence that he has strong playmaking DNA in his game. That said, in a system where his only job was to deliver the ball to specific spots where it was known that guys were going to be open after running around a Kanter/Favors screen then I could see it happening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWgfx-bXsg4
I like the idea of playing big but Evans certainly sticks out like a sore thumb there. Certainly Hayward's best lineup options probably involve either playing the 2 or lineups that let him cross match to defend opposing 2s. Much harder to punish lack of strength and allows him to utilize his long limbs much more effectively.
That would be interesting to see.