favors' offense

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A few things seem pretty obvious-
1. The guy needs space to operate in both PnR (where he needs to catch it from the free-throw line or closer) and in the post (where he needs to do a good job establishing EARLY and DEEP position). Malone should have helped with both of these things because he did both as well as anybody ever has.
2. This means that Kanter needs to spread things out to at least 18 feet. He has this shot, but I'd like to see the offense get him some easier looks early on, to get him going. We need a healthy Rush.
3. The backup big should be a legit stretch 4. I hope we use Marvin in this capacity. Beeno and Evans aren't going to help at all, imo.

Thoughts?

 

[Stoked]

Seem like good observations. Favors really does need a guy to get him going though. Cannot wait till the 2nd half to start that. Kanter and Favors both need a little room when working down low. kanter does have a better shot though.

 

[mellow]

Too bad the nba doesn't allow baseline screens by guards to free up a big man. That used to be bread and butter for the jazz early in the games, it got Karl going early.




What's that? Baseline are screens are still allowed? Hmph, wouldn't know that watching the jazz.

 

[GVC]

Too bad the nba doesn't allow baseline screens by guards to free up a big man. That used to be bread and butter for the jazz early in the games, it got Karl going early.




What's that? Baseline are screens are still allowed? Hmph, wouldn't know that watching the jazz.

You should probably re-watch last night's game; Richard Jefferson was setting baseline screens for Kanter throughout the first quarter.

 

[zman1527]

To me, Favors is fine as is. He is a great defender and rebounder, can get points at times. He is never going to be a Karl Malone on offense so give it up.

Why is everyone so offense focused? Kanter had a nice game, yes, but how many boards and blocks did HE have? 4 boards (0 defensive boards!), zero blocks. Seems to me the two are complimentary. And defense is every bit as important as offense, right?

 

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To me, Favors is fine as is. He is a great defender and rebounder, can get points at times. He is never going to be a Karl Malone on offense so give it up.

Why is everyone so offense focused? Kanter had a nice game, yes, but how many boards and blocks did HE have? 4 boards (0 defensive boards!), zero blocks. Seems to me the two are complimentary. And defense is every bit as important as offense, right?

This is a thread about Favors' offense. See title. Thx.

 

[Litany]

To me, Favors is fine as is. He is a great defender and rebounder, can get points at times. He is never going to be a Karl Malone on offense so give it up.

Why is everyone so offense focused? Kanter had a nice game, yes, but how many boards and blocks did HE have? 4 boards (0 defensive boards!), zero blocks. Seems to me the two are complimentary. And defense is every bit as important as offense, right?

I think it's because we've seen Favors put together 15-20 pt games pretty effortlessly before and it leaves us puzzled why it doesn't happen more. He can put together those effortless performances and the next game be completely lost, inefficient and passive. It can be maddening.

I still remember the GOlden State game when he had like 20 Pts and about 10 rebounds and was 9-9 from the FT line. Then the Sixers game when he did it as well including jumpshots and other moves. It's confusing. There are plenty of other examples of these performances, but too many where he is a non factor.

 

[phippsj]

To me Favor's seems out of shape. Every shot he was breathing really hard... never made it down court first, etc.

The big thing is that the first few times he touched the ball he did not really seem like he knew what he wanted to do with it. Once he shakes the rust off, then we can see how it all fits together.

 

[franklin]

3. The backup big should be a legit stretch 4.

This right here I definitely agree on. Kanter and Favors can get killed in defending the pnr against quicker fours. If they cannot impose their will upon teams on the other end then Corbin will have no choice but to play a stretch four who can guard against this within reason.

I am sorry to inform you but Marvin Williams is not that guy.

Too bad the nba doesn't allow baseline screens by guards to free up a big man. That used to be bread and butter for the jazz early in the games, it got Karl going early.

And why should I disregard Lucas setting screens from the baseline coming up toward Kanter like he did several times in the early first just last night?

Movement to get into the play is all that really matters sometimes to gain advantage on the play. Baseline across or baseline up, either help Kanter establish his position well enough. In this instance, Kanter appreciates floor position a little further out so the baseline up is the better initiator.

They do run baseline across as well, but they are running it for the other side, Favors' side.

 

[GVC]

I think it's because we've seen Favors put together 15-20 pt games pretty effortlessly before and it leaves us puzzled why it doesn't happen more. He can put together those effortless performances and the next game be completely lost, inefficient and passive. It can be maddening.

I still remember the GOlden State game when he had like 20 Pts and about 10 rebounds and was 9-9 from the FT line. Then the Sixers game when he did it as well including jumpshots and other moves. It's confusing. There are plenty of other examples of these performances, but too many where he is a non factor.

Given his average performance, his good performances aren't unexpected. The problem with the average fan is that he/she doesn't seem to grasp that a 40% shooter will hit 6 or more shots out of 10 roughly 17% of the time (under reasonable assumptions). Perhaps Favors' good games aren't proof of his offensive potential.

 

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Oh, I know Marv isn't any kind of long-term solution. But he's the best thing we have, imo. I knew we weren't committed to winning when we didn't bring in a stretch 4.

 

[fishonjazz]

To me, Favors is fine as is. He is a great defender and rebounder, can get points at times. He is never going to be a Karl Malone on offense so give it up.

Why is everyone so offense focused? Kanter had a nice game, yes, but how many boards and blocks did HE have? 4 boards (0 defensive boards!), zero blocks. Seems to me the two are complimentary. And defense is every bit as important as offense, right?

Would you rather have hakeem olijuwan or dikembe mutumbo?

We want favors to be good on offense cause it would be better to have him be good on offense.

Sure dikembe was a fine player, but I would rather have olijuwan

 

[b_line]

Would you rather have hakeem olijuwan or dikembe mutumbo?

We want favors to be good on offense cause it would be better to have him be good on offense.

Sure dikembe was a fine player, but I would rather have olijuwan

Mutombo, but just for the voice and the finger wags. That guy was straight scary...

 

[b_line]

Would you rather have hakeem olijuwan or dikembe mutumbo?

We want favors to be good on offense cause it would be better to have him be good on offense.

Sure dikembe was a fine player, but I would rather have olijuwan

Plus, Olajuwon won two titles, so what fun is that?

 

[illyasova]

Favors will not be the offensive weapon fans have been expecting for years. This does not mean he's not qualified or important player but we gotta all admit the reality. When he begins posting up like Kanter or Big Al, his percantage is too low but when he gets the ball while moving, his efficiency is out of the roof. So PnR offense, put backs and open court basketball will fix his offense. His problem will be quick fouls and how much min he's staying on the floor not points.

 

[Goodluckchuck]

I have said this before. I think Favors forces the issue too much. Tries too hard to make an offensive statement. And I think that comes from the high expectations that many have of him. When Favors allows the flow of the game come to him, he plays much better on offense. He needs to settle down and get into the flow, instead of forcing the issue. Remember, he went through this type of thing last year. Coaches told him to stop forcing and allow the game to come to him, then he started putting up better offensive games. He isn't going to be a 30/10 guy. But he is capable of 15/10 every night IMO.

 

[Weezur]

Favors just needs to look at Duncan as a model of offense.

 

[GVC]

Favors just needs to look at Duncan as a model of offense.

He doesn't have the touch, footwork or feel.

 

[zman1527]

Favors will not be the offensive weapon fans have been expecting for years. This does not mean he's not qualified or important player but we gotta all admit the reality. When he begins posting up like Kanter or Big Al, his percantage is too low but when he gets the ball while moving, his efficiency is out of the roof. So PnR offense, put backs and open court basketball will fix his offense. His problem will be quick fouls and how much min he's staying on the floor not points.

Exactly. He is never going to be Olajuwon or Duncan, sorry to break the news but it is true. He is what he is: a stud defender and rebounder who can score a bit. And that is fine, there are not a lot of stud defenders at his size and that is a key piece of the puzzle. Look at Perkins who helped the Celtics to a ring and helped OKC get close: couldn't score a lick.

 

[Weezur]

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He doesn't have the touch, footwork or feel.

Not saying he can become Duncan, just saying that he should mimic the style of Duncan's patient offense . Favors too wild in the post