An Open Apology to Ty Corbin

[Stifle Tower]

OK, as much as I've criticized him in the past - and I'm not saying he didn't deserve it - I have to praise Ty for a lot of what he's done right in pre-season and game #1:

1. Keeping Mike Harris. I would have guessed a PG or even Brian Cook. I doubt any of us expected Harris to stick and he was the X-Factor in a near monumental upset.
2. Playing and playing Alec Burks. Alec got 32 mins. Ty stuck with him over Hayward for a good portion of the 4th. He even played some at PG. Yes, Alec deserved every minute of that time, but how often have we seen Ty (or Sloan) or other coaches for that matter, bring back in the starters and send a sub who has been playing well to the bench?
3. Giving time to Gobert: I know the Jazz were thin without Biedrins and Evans. But Corbin could have played RJ some at the 4. Instead, Gobert gets 20+ mins and has a definite effect on the game, even if his stats weren't overly impressive.
4. Interior defense: we know Ty is being evaluated on the defensive performance of the team. Well, our bigs won their matchup: OKC 4/5's only scored 20 pts on 9-25 FG's.
5. Substitutions/Adjustments: Corbin did not stick with rigid substitutions. He tried different guys on Durant. As mentioned, he stuck with the players who had the hot hand (Burks) or who were playing hard defensively (Harris).

You look at the stat sheet and wonder how the Jazz lost: well, Ty isn't responsible for poor passing or terrible FT-shooting. Even giving Durant all those trips to the line, the Jazz shot nearly as many FT's. The team played aggressively and I've got to say it was a well-coached game by Corbin.

 

[Hotdog]

Its just one game.

 

[jope]

how often have we seen Ty (or Sloan) or other coaches for that matter, bring back in the starters and send a sub who has been playing well to the bench?

wait, didn't Ty do this to Burks in the midst of his big 4th quarter? he chose to put in a cold hayward for the scorching burks, and was only forced to put him back in when harris fouled out, right?

 

[Stifle Tower]

wait, didn't Ty do this to Burks in the midst of his big 4th quarter? he chose to put in a cold hayward for the scorching burks, and was only forced to put him back in when harris fouled out, right?

No, he took him out for a breather. I can't find the exact substitution spots, but since Burks played 32 mins, I imagine he had played about 12 straight at that point. Even a guy like Kobe or LeBron will sit down for a couple of mins to get a breather before finishing out the game.

 

[UGLI baby]

No, he took him out for a breather. I can't find the exact substitution spots, but since Burks played 32 mins, I imagine he had played about 12 straight at that point. Even a guy like Kobe or LeBron will sit down for a couple of mins to get a breather before finishing out the game.

Did you watch the game? Burks was not coming in the rest of the game until Harris fouled out.

Also played Gobert WAY too deep into the 4th instead of Kanter.


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[The Midnight]

Looks like having Sloan & Johnson back in the fold had really helped Ty.

He's no longer doing it alone.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Did you watch the game? Burks was not coming in the rest of the game until Harris fouled out.

Also played Gobert WAY too deep into the 4th instead of Kanter.


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Yes, I did watch the game. I thought Burks would probably be back. But we'll never know. But Harris was doing a good job and Burks had played a long stretch. Burks was in for most of the fourth over Hayward. He played 32 mins.That was more than Gordon and more than anyone else except Favors and Lucas. And I guarantee Lucas wouldn't get that many mins. if Trey were healthy.

 

[friendsinmyhead]

OK, as much as I've criticized him in the past - and I'm not saying he didn't deserve it - I have to praise Ty for a lot of what he's done right in pre-season and game #1:

1. Keeping Mike Harris. I would have guessed a PG or even Brian Cook. I doubt any of us expected Harris to stick and he was the X-Factor in a near monumental upset.
2. Playing and playing Alec Burks. Alec got 32 mins. Ty stuck with him over Hayward for a good portion of the 4th. He even played some at PG. Yes, Alec deserved every minute of that time, but how often have we seen Ty (or Sloan) or other coaches for that matter, bring back in the starters and send a sub who has been playing well to the bench?
3. Giving time to Gobert: I know the Jazz were thin without Biedrins and Evans. But Corbin could have played RJ some at the 4. Instead, Gobert gets 20+ mins and has a definite effect on the game, even if his stats weren't overly impressive.
4. Interior defense: we know Ty is being evaluated on the defensive performance of the team. Well, our bigs won their matchup: OKC 4/5's only scored 20 pts on 9-25 FG's.
5. Substitutions/Adjustments: Corbin did not stick with rigid substitutions. He tried different guys on Durant. As mentioned, he stuck with the players who had the hot hand (Burks) or who were playing hard defensively (Harris).

You look at the stat sheet and wonder how the Jazz lost: well, Ty isn't responsible for poor passing or terrible FT-shooting. Even giving Durant all those trips to the line, the Jazz shot nearly as many FT's. The team played aggressively and I've got to say it was a well-coached game by Corbin.

I reluctantly agree that he did not totally screw the game up regardless of whether his hand was forced by Harris fouling out. The only area I would like to see improvement in is the pick and roll. There were many times when Kanter or Favors would set the pick and roll to the basket and the PG would either hold the ball or pass away. We have two bigs eager to take the ball to the rack we need to feed 'em. I imagine that Karl worked with these guys a lot in their training sessions about how to work a pick n roll. I wanna see it! I know Ty cannot go and throw the pass but he can drill it into JLIII and Tinsley's head.

 

[Stoked]

Did you watch the game? Burks was not coming in the rest of the game until Harris fouled out.

Also played Gobert WAY too deep into the 4th instead of Kanter.


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No way to tell if he was going to pull Harris if he didn't foul out.

Agreed on Kanter.

So basically Corbin did better but wasn't perfect. Isn't improvement what we are looking for?

 

[fishonjazz]

No, he took him out for a breather. I can't find the exact substitution spots, but since Burks played 32 mins, I imagine he had played about 12 straight at that point. Even a guy like Kobe or LeBron will sit down for a couple of mins to get a breather before finishing out the game.

Burks played 31 minutes..... lucas 37.... favors 42.
Burks is young and in great shape and did not look tired to me at all.... in fact his great play was giving him more energy and kind of a second wind so to speak.

Burks didn't need a break, and if he did then just call a time out.

Having said all that, I liked what corbin did in game one overall.... but if he had a raja, josh howard, marvin williams available then I have no faith that he would not have played one of those guys way to much.

Marvin getting healthy worries me

 

[Hantlers]

The notion on this board that it's acceptable to give players time to develop, but not coaches has always befuddled me.

 

[SojoDave]

How much time are we going to give Ty? I actually think Ty has improved, but his moves still confuse me.

 

[fishonjazz]

The notion on this board that it's acceptable to give players time to develop, but not coaches has always befuddled me.

The difference is that young players are young.... they need to grow into men and put on weight and hone thier skills.

Corbin is like 50 something and has been coaching to some extent for quite some time.

He should already have the skills to know favors should be in on defense for the last play of a close game and things like that.

He should already know that raja bell should not be starting over a young lotto pick.

These are things that as a grown man and a man who has been coaching for many years he should not have to "develop" into.

Also a franchise has no choice but to develop draft pick since you don't usually draft old experienced players.

But you should not have to develop coaches..... there are already lots of experienced/developed coaches already out there.
If corbin needs to be developed then we should have never hired him

 

[zman1527]

The notion on this board that it's acceptable to give players time to develop, but not coaches has always befuddled me.

Well, you are only talking young new players. When you trade for or aquire a vet, you don't expect them to need to develop. That latter view should be the same for coaches: look around and find one who is developed, a vet who has shown what he can do as a HC. The Jazz went the easy way, the comfortable way, with a guy already on the team even though he had never been a HC. And it showed. Maybe he is there now, we will see this year. But we are still guessing if he can do it.

 

[Stoked]

How much time are we going to give Ty? I actually think Ty has improved, but his moves still confuse me.

Like the players I think this is a critical year for Corbin. He is in the exact same position as Hayward now. If he produces and excells he will get that money. If not then his price goes down adn or he will no longer be a Jazzman.

 

[franklin]

Jazzfanz = facebook.

 

[oldtimer]

I will complain about corbin's stupid substitution patterns until two things happen. He stops pulling kanter out 6 minutes into every game (regardless the score or how he is playing) or until kanter plays 35 plus minutes a night. Kanter is the future of the Jazz. He makes mistakes that can only be fixed by more time on the court. He needs more time not less. You live with his mistakes because if he reaches max potential he could be special.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I will complain about corbin's stupid substitution patterns until two things happen. He stops pulling kanter out 6 minutes into every game (regardless the score or how he is playing) or until kanter plays 35 plus minutes a night. Kanter is the future of the Jazz. He makes mistakes that can only be fixed by more time on the court. He needs more time not less. You live with his mistakes because if he reaches max potential he could be special.

Except for the fact that Favors is more our future then is Kanter. I like the fact that Ty pulls him at the 6 minute mark. It allows Ty to play Kanter some with our Bench and play Favors some at pf giving him a huge advantage whith the other teams pf. This strengthens our god awful bench.

 

[Stoked]

Except for the fact that Favors is more our future then is Kanter. I like the fact that Ty pulls him at the 6 minute mark. It allows Ty to play Kanter some with our Bench and play Favors some at pf giving him a huge advantage whith the other teams pf. This strengthens our god awful bench.

I'm not sure I agree. Defensively yes. I think Kanter will be more imprtant to this team offensively. I think they will even out as far as how much this team needs them. Together they will hold down the pain in Utah for the next several years.

 

[cowhide]

Some people are going to bash Corbin no matter what. They have already made up their minds. The idea is that Corbin is 50 so he should already know. How long as he been a head coach? Even being an assistant isn't the same as a head coach. I don't know if Ty will succeed or not but I am hoping that he does succeed because that means the Jazz are winning.

I thought overall he did a good job. However, I want to see more Kanter and less Lucas III. At this point I would rather see Burks play more minutes at PG so we can reduce Lucas' minutes. I am hoping as Tinsley gets into game shape he will get more minutes and then when Burke gets back he will get the majority of minutes.