Racism and privilege

[♪alt13]

From my time in the Navy my interaction out in public east of the Mississippi typically left me wanting to punch people in the face for their bad manners. I suppose to them I was a rube who went around expecting people to act decently.

I really think that it isn't that they are acting indecent or without manners, it's just that those words mean different things to them. Take the word respect. Out here respect seems to mean live and let live where as out east it seems to mean to acknowledge someones worth. It's just a different perspective.

 

[moevillini]

Ok well now let's not lump 'em all in one pot. Get up off your butt, grab a partner and MOVE those feet!

A little 80's disco ought to put a smile on your face!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h1rH_iaZkv0

errbody get up


edit: correction, 70's disco, apparently this is from 1977

 

[Gameface]

I'm from 1977

 

[♪alt13]

Let's do (same era)

Ok well now let's not lump 'em all in one pot. Get up off your butt, grab a partner and MOVE those feet!

A little 80's disco ought to put a smile on your face!
East
[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h1rH_iaZkv0
errbody get up


edit: correction, 70's disco, apparently this is from 1977

West
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBGksGTb90c

PS please tell me you know how to imbed youtube vids(you are a mod)

 

[♪alt13]

before OB jumps om it. me an jon denver are bost racist. O only picked him case jes white and he so clearly represents the aryan brotherhood.

That was sarcasm

stuopidhn oooooob

 

[moevillini]

PS please tell me you know how to imbed youtube vids(you are a mod)

Ok well now let's not lump 'em all in one pot. Get up off your butt, grab a partner and MOVE those feet!

A little 80's disco ought to put a smile on your face!
https://www.m.youtube.com/watch?v=h1rH_iaZkv0
errbody get up


edit: correction, 70's disco, apparently this is from 1977

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1rH_iaZkv0

OK, there ya go!

(it was the mobile version

 

[moevillini]

just to be fair and keep this gender-neutral...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyGAz7V5f5g

 

[moevillini]

That's generally what I thought you meant, but there is a very real connection between words and thoughts. Using different words changes our thoughts subtly.

Does using different words change the thoughts of the "speaker" or the "listener" or both? Does it matter which it is?

Anyhow some people put a lot of thought into what they say BEFORE they say it, and some people put no thought into their words at all. And generally, especially on a message board, you have no idea how much actual thought goes into any particular poster's choice of words. Maybe a word is chosen very deliberately, maybe not.

So if a particular word is chosen with intent, would you know?

 

[One Brow]

@ OB

How did you become a Jazz fan? Are you originally from St. Louis?

I ask because I have always thought that the West, Midwest, Northeast, and South are incredibly different. I wonder if part of the reason why you see things from a different perspective comes from living where you do.

I for one haven't met a person from east of Colorado that I feel like I truly understand. From our perspective you guys out there live in a different kind of world. A world that to us looks like it is more influenced by fear and therefore hate.

I grew up in Iowa and St. Louis. I became a fan watching the Jazz on TV in the 1990s.

Considering all the people on here who talk about using their guns to kill intruders in the various threads, I find it amusing that you think other parts of the country show more fear. Most people in most places are afraid.

 

[One Brow]

Well all we have is our judgement, what else are we supposed to use, your judgement? Should we set up a committee and have everyone's racism status verified and published or something so we all know how we are doing? You have been going in circles so much it seems like you are arguing this just to argue it and not to get to any point. We all are racist, there is nothing we can do about that, but we are terrible judges of how racist we are, but we shouldn't be racist, but we are no matter how hard we try, and there is no way to know when we are and when we aren't since we are such terrible judges of when we are being racist or not, but we shouldn't be racist, and every effort we make to be racist is wrong because we have no way to accurately judge when we are being racist or not.

I'd take this rant a little more seriously if you had bothered to respond to my suggestions of actual things you can do. Of course, doing things like that would interrupt your comfortable illusion that you're really a rational person who makes decisions for sound reasons.

...so you can ignore valid arguments (still haven't addressed whether or not we should be concerned about valid convictions, ...

I'm still waiting for you to justify why your idea of "valid convictions" applies at all to this study. My position is that since only the close calls go to the jury to begin with, there is no reason to think the black defendants are any more likely to be guilty than the white defendants, or vice-versa. You've avoided explaining why it's relevant. Care to give it a try?

...I am guessing feel superior ...

I'm just as human as you, and therefore just as subject to the racist cognitive shortcuts and conclusions.

since you can thwart everyone's attempts to get to a valid point or conclusion other than "you are, always have been, and always will be racist".

I find false conclusions and invalid points relatively easy to thwart.

You can keep worrying about always being a privileged white racist with no means or hope of ever changing, and I will continue playing basketball and having barbecues with my black friends and talking about issues that matter to them (and me) and do my best with my permanently flawed racial judgement to be a little less racist each day.

I bet you even let them use the bathroom. You're so enlightened! Have a cookie.

 

[One Brow]

I'm glad you are carrying all my racial guilt for me. The liberation!

Still waiting to hear all those non-hurtful things you'd like to say, but that the "politically correct" people aren't letting you say.

 

[One Brow]

Does using different words change the thoughts of the "speaker" or the "listener" or both? Does it matter which it is?

Anyhow some people put a lot of thought into what they say BEFORE they say it, and some people put no thought into their words at all. And generally, especially on a message board, you have no idea how much actual thought goes into any particular poster's choice of words. Maybe a word is chosen very deliberately, maybe not.

So if a particular word is chosen with intent, would you know?

The choice of words affects both the speaker and the listener. How could it be otherwise, given how our brains make associations?

I would agree the level of intent might change from word to word, but there is always intent behind any word choice, to some degree. You could make reasonable guesses based on context, but I agree you would never really know; some people put a lot of effort into looking casual, while others give no effort to sounding serious.