See ya, Corbin.

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Green, how is ty the answer? What has he done so far? What one thing has earned that respect from you or anyone else? There are PLENTY of capable coaches that could be brought in. PLENTY! George Karl, Malone, we let Horney go in Favor of this bozo, Lionel Hollins just got fired after taking his team to the Western Conf. finals and nearly beating the Spurs. 12 teams fired their coaches this year. They hired no names, college coaches, assistants, interims, and more.

Corbin was a scrapper. Team follows the coach. Horney was a WINNER. Team follows the coach. If we keep Corbin for 4 more years, expect consistent results. Care for an example? See the last 3 years.

 

[franklin]

I think Lindsey wanted about 20-23 wins with solid improvements on defense and good offensive execution in the starting group. That's not asking much, and Corbs isn't even sniffing it.

He needs to shoot somewhere in the neighborhood of 6 threes a game. Minimum.

Godspeed Trey Burke.

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[franklin]

BTW, everyone using the argument that Corbin can't coach because the team isn't playing as a group is also indicting Dennis Lindsey and The Tank for not putting sufficient talent around Favors-Kanter-Burks-Hayward to play as a group.

Kind of self defeating IMO

 

[Gameface]

Green, how is ty the answer? What has he done so far? What one thing has earned that respect from you or anyone else? There are PLENTY of capable coaches that could be brought in. PLENTY! George Karl, Malone, we let Horney go in Favor of this bozo, Lionel Hollins just got fired after taking his team to the Western Conf. finals and nearly beating the Spurs. 12 teams fired their coaches this year. They hired no names, college coaches, assistants, interims, and more.

Corbin was a scrapper. Team follows the coach. Horney was a WINNER. Team follows the coach. If we keep Corbin for 4 more years, expect consistent results. Care for an example? See the last 3 years.

You realize green doesn't want Corbin as the long-term coach, right? He wants him as our tank commander.

Not trying to speak for you, green. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[GVC]

holy ****...

Seriously. What happens when the new coach comes in and loses his first 15+ games? Coming into this season, we were going to need Kanter/Favors to do a decent job anchoring the defense and Kanter/Burks/Burke to provide solid offensive contributions beside Gordo to not be laughably bad. Favors has been overly focused on not fouling, Burke has been injured, and Kanter/Burks have no clue how to play team basketball on either end. This team has arguably the least amount of talent in the league.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Ty is the man for the job. I just think 1) people are deluding themselves if they think this team has the talent to be half decent, and 2) getting the timing right on a coaching change isn't so obvious.

 

[mellow]

I don't think the jazz care if Ty was 1-25 or 1-81, but the young guys all looked pretty bad last night, and that they do care about. For instance, Kanter is in his third year as a jazzman, and third year with Coach Corbin...and I'm not sure his game has changed any at all. That is what Corbin is going to be evaluated on.

 

[GVC]

BTW, everyone using the argument that Corbin can't coach because the team isn't playing as a group is also indicting Dennis Lindsey and The Tank for not putting sufficient talent around Favors-Kanter-Burks-Hayward to play as a group.

Kind of self defeating IMO

DL's track record isn't great right now. There's all this talk on broadcasts about how he's always busy working the phones, yet he hasn't really accomplished much. He held onto the Jazz's best players last season, let them walk in free agency, then traded the Jazz's in-season cap flexibility for a couple late 1st round picks. He "solved" the issues at the 1 by signing JLIII and Jamaal Tinsley, before nabbing a dude from the dleague. For all we know, DL is huffing glue and playing with himself all day.

 

[Stoked]

DL's track record isn't great right now. There's all this talk on broadcasts about how he's always busy working the phones, yet he hasn't really accomplished much. He held onto the Jazz's best players last season, let them walk in free agency, then traded the Jazz's in-season cap flexibility for a couple late 1st round picks. He "solved" the issues at the 1 by signing JLIII and Jamaal Tinsley, before nabbing a dude from the dleague. For all we know, DL is huffing glue and playing with himself all day.

He pulled of what appears to be a fantastic draft and has piled up a ton of assets including a second pick in a loaded draft. Hitting him for not trading Millsap and Big Al is speculation. Perhaps he messed up and lost out on a good deal. Perhaps there was no good deal to be had.

I have been very pleased with DL work so far.

 

[akirac73]

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Ty is the man for the job. I just think 1) people are deluding themselves if they think this team has the talent to be half decent, and 2) getting the timing right on a coaching change isn't so obvious.

I honestly believe we have enough talent on this team to have at least 4 wins right now. Not great, but still better than what we've shown.

 

[b_line]

DL's track record isn't great right now. There's all this talk on broadcasts about how he's always busy working the phones, yet he hasn't really accomplished much. He held onto the Jazz's best players last season, let them walk in free agency, then traded the Jazz's in-season cap flexibility for a couple late 1st round picks. He "solved" the issues at the 1 by signing JLIII and Jamaal Tinsley, before nabbing a dude from the dleague. For all we know, DL is huffing glue and playing with himself all day.

For such a normally smart poster, I am kind of puzzled that you would say this. If we had traded Al or Millsap for something last season, how do we make the GS trade? It is pretty obvious that Lindsay was planning to be bad this season, and get the best draft positioning possible for the upcoming draft.

As for the "issues at the 1", how was he supposed to know that Burke would go down with an injury and miss so much time? If Burke does not miss time, then JLIII and Tins are ok manning the backup point in a year we are not going for the title. I mean, we had Tinsley and Earl Watson for the last couple years, so what is the huge difference?

 

[Deleted member 848]

DL's track record isn't great right now.

Despite most media outlets appraising the Jazz as having one of the best drafts of 2013? Neto, Gobert, and Burke are stellar picks given where they slipped to, their potential, and what the Jazz gave up for them.

EDIT: Not to mention choosing to skim players (that don't fit into our future) and bottoming out this team ahead of the best draft in 10 years, getting two unprotected picks in two strong draft years (from a historically-tumultuous team whose core is injury-prone), a potentially formidable 3AndD player in Rush for literally nothing.

The Ty hate is sometimes unwarranted, but any Lindsey hate is ridiculous IMO. We'll be singing a different tune in a couple years. Lindsey is well-respected-- Poppovich walked over and gave Linds a hug right before the game-started, and showered him with compliments in the post-game after we played the Spurs a couple nights ago.

To me, that's enough to maintain belief in Dennis Lindsey

 

[GVC]

For such a normally smart poster, I am kind of puzzled that you would say this. If we had traded Al or Millsap for something last season, how do we make the GS trade? It is pretty obvious that Lindsay was planning to be bad this season, and get the best draft positioning possible for the upcoming draft.

As for the "issues at the 1", how was he supposed to know that Burke would go down with an injury and miss so much time? If Burke does not miss time, then JLIII and Tins are ok manning the backup point in a year we are not going for the title. I mean, we had Tinsley and Earl Watson for the last couple years, so what is the huge difference?

My point was that he hasn't done much. The draft is still a "wait and see", although I thought at the time that he did a good job.

Otherwise, the plan is sit back and tank. You can certainly argue that the GS trade, effectively blowing this season's flexibility for 2 late 1sts, was a bad move (we'll have a better idea what cap space is worth in trades closer to the trade deadline), and that Al/Paul might have been turned into picks/young players worth more than a couple late 1sts while not doing much damage to the tank (while also providing Favors and Gordo with an opportunity to show their talent BEFORE extension negotiations).

With so many young players (and washed up vets) on the team, signing/trading for a competent player to backup your rookie point guard might have been a good idea. Having Earl/Jamaal as your backups on a team with Al, Millsap and Mo isn't a problem.

FWIW, I'm not saying that DL is garbage, just that it's far too soon to judge him. He might not turn out to be a good GM.

 

[fallenchicken]

DOWN WITH DENNIS LINDSEY! We wanted to tank, he executed the tank, and now we're tanking. But nobody told me that tanking meant losing. FIRE LINDSEY.

 

[b_line]

My point was that he hasn't done much. The draft is still a "wait and see", although I thought at the time that he did a good job.

Otherwise, the plan is sit back and tank. You can certainly argue that the GS trade, effectively blowing this season's flexibility for 2 late 1sts, was a bad move (we'll have a better idea what cap space is worth in trades closer to the trade deadline), and that Al/Paul might have been turned into picks/young players worth more than a couple late 1sts while not doing much damage to the tank (while also providing Favors and Gordo with an opportunity to show their talent BEFORE extension negotiations).

With so many young players (and washed up vets) on the team, signing/trading for a competent player to backup your rookie point guard might have been a good idea. Having Earl/Jamaal as your backups on a team with Al, Millsap and Mo isn't a problem.

FWIW, I'm not saying that DL is garbage, just that it's far too soon to judge him. He might not turn out to be a good GM.

ok, that make sense. The GS trade will look a lot better if we can flip the expiring contracts for anything, but if not, I think it was a so so trade. Also have to wait to see what we get with the pick.

 

[Stoked]

My point was that he hasn't done much. The draft is still a "wait and see", although I thought at the time that he did a good job.

Otherwise, the plan is sit back and tank. You can certainly argue that the GS trade, effectively blowing this season's flexibility for 2 late 1sts, was a bad move (we'll have a better idea what cap space is worth in trades closer to the trade deadline), and that Al/Paul might have been turned into picks/young players worth more than a couple late 1sts while not doing much damage to the tank (while also providing Favors and Gordo with an opportunity to show their talent BEFORE extension negotiations).

With so many young players (and washed up vets) on the team, signing/trading for a competent player to backup your rookie point guard might have been a good idea. Having Earl/Jamaal as your backups on a team with Al, Millsap and Mo isn't a problem.

FWIW, I'm not saying that DL is garbage, just that it's far too soon to judge him. He might not turn out to be a good GM.

Ah ok. This is more in line with where I am. SOme very promising signs but you are right. He is still be evaluated. What he does and does not do this season and offseason will be very telling in the quality of GM that Lindsey will be.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Ah ok. This is more in line with where I am. SOme very promising signs but you are right. He is still be evaluated. What he does and does not do this season and offseason will be very telling in the quality of GM that Lindsey will be.

Of course I agree with this-- but I would definitely disagree with the statement "DL's track record isn't great right now". I'm willing to bet my left nut that if you polled GM's around the league, they'd think he's been doing great.

 

[UGLI baby]

My point was that he hasn't done much. The draft is still a "wait and see", although I thought at the time that he did a good job.

Otherwise, the plan is sit back and tank. You can certainly argue that the GS trade, effectively blowing this season's flexibility for 2 late 1sts, was a bad move (we'll have a better idea what cap space is worth in trades closer to the trade deadline), and that Al/Paul might have been turned into picks/young players worth more than a couple late 1sts while not doing much damage to the tank (while also providing Favors and Gordo with an opportunity to show their talent BEFORE extension negotiations).

With so many young players (and washed up vets) on the team, signing/trading for a competent player to backup your rookie point guard might have been a good idea. Having Earl/Jamaal as your backups on a team with Al, Millsap and Mo isn't a problem.

FWIW, I'm not saying that DL is garbage, just that it's far too soon to judge him. He might not turn out to be a good GM.

2 Late 1st's??

It's one probable late 1st and one Unprotected 1st 3 YEARS from now.

The 2017 pick could produce an incredible return on the cap space we used. It's unheard of for a team to trade an un-protected 1st rounder 3 years in advance. Lindsey swung for the fences.

 

[GVC]

Of course I agree with this-- but I would definitely disagree with the statement "DL's track record isn't great right now". I'm willing to bet my left nut that if you polled GM's around the league, they'd think he's been doing great.

As stated, dude's a TBD for me. He does seem to have a plan that he's trying to execute, which is nice. As a resident of Canada, you should be familiar, however, with how excited Raps fans were at BC's plan and first year success.

It just seems to me that the average poster on this site holds the GM and players to a different standard than the coach.

 

[Deleted member 848]

2 Late 1st's??

It's one probable late 1st and one Unprotected 1st 3 YEARS from now.

The 2017 pick could produce an incredible return on the cap space we used. It's unheard of for a team to trade an un-protected 1st rounder 3 years in advance. Lindsey swung for the fences.

#datsoftservedoe

 

[NUMBERICA]

Maybe nobody could coach Lindsey's steaming pile of a team

Hornacek seems to be doing immensely more with immensely less, so I'm inclined to disagree. Maybe Hornacek is the next all-time great, which would just be, you know, ****ing great.