What was the year before?
Rebounding
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What was the year before?
Last year we were
Opponent FG% 8th (44.9%)
Opponent 3pt% 15th (35.4%)
Opponent Assist 8th (19.9)
I agree that it is about effort, and not length. They have to box out, and they have to go for the rebound, and not just wait for it.
The Nets 16 Offensive boards is way too many, and Kris Humphries 5 Offensive boards were not about length.
The Jazz need to find a way of keeping up the improved defense, while snagging the additional rebounds they are creating with that defense. They have to try to get the rebounds and not just assume they will get them.
This is somewhat misleading.
Sloan led his team in rebounding only once (1966-1967) and did so during an era when teams played the fastest and were most shot happy from distance. That season Sloan's Bull's team was 9th out of 10 teams in points scored per game with 113.2 points per game (on only 42% shooting). These games were played at a pace and in a style that would make the Nash Suns and the Nellie-ball Warriors look like walk-it-up discliplined outfits.
Part of the reason you see a lot of guards get extra rebounds during this era (and one of the reasons the Oscar Robertson triple-double is so difficult to repeat) is that this era was full of "long rebounds" and relatively inflated guard-rebound numbers.
By the time things had normalized, Jerry's rebounds were still high for a guard but he was routinely behind (and sometimes well behind) his team's Centers.
There's also something to be said for the era's average height and rapid expansion on this issue.
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Hopper
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Well, the point wasn't how often Sloan led his team in rebounds. It was about what it takes to rebound. Like any other rebound, it takes hustle, desire, and determination to git a lot of "long" rebounds. Not that Sloan wasn't often in the paint gittin rebounds too.
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I think sacrifising bodies and boxing out instead of going after every ball, trying to outjump your opponents despite being undersized or less athletic + focusing on helping bigmen on rebounds would be enough to overcome this problem. The Jazz are not only being outrebounded, but also they cannot get net rebounds that would create great opportunities for transition offense or open shoots for trailers like Jefferson or AK on offensive end, depending on the schemes. Al Jefferson better stop watching the ball coming to his hands.
I do agree that the effort hasn't always been there. However another isssue is the Jazz shooting percentage is down. In some games it has been awful so a way to decrease the opponent's rebound numbers is make more shots. AJ and AK have been the most disappointing along with Fess.
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I cannot blame Fesenko. He has done way better job boxing out and putting effort on defense and rebounding than others you named.
Gyp Rosetti
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Really? Because Fes is grabbing a whole 2.1 rebounds in 10.0 minutes a night. If he is boxing out and showing effort, it's not showing up in his rebounding numbers.
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I have not been as concerned about our offensive rebounding as I have our defensive rebounding. The nets game was a good example. Getting offensive boards is, in my opinion, icing on the cake, while defensive rebounding is the cake. As our FG% goes up the opportunity for offensive board goes down, but as our defense improves the absolute need for defensive rebounding increases. Gotta crash the boards on both ends, but it is far worse to watch them rebound their own misses, often in prime position to score. We gotta get after those.
Zerol
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A high school coach will tell you to always put your body on somebody when a shot is up. It's mind-boggling why players on a team emphasizing so much on efforts are not boxing out. I would bench Big Al or anyone in no time if he just stands there and watch the shot up in the air instead of boxing out. If it costs us a win because we couldn't score on the other end, so be it. This is just way too important to get into early habits or else we will see the Lakers dominating us with their sizes once again.