Does Corbin "Know" he is a lame duck coach or something?

[fishonjazz]

Umm... perhaps they're trying to showcase anyone who can do anything. Beans aside, giving players like Jefferson playing time seems like a no-brainer as he actually seems like one of those pieces a 4-6 seed would want off the bench in the playoffs and be happy to trade for come February. You might cherry-pick individual games, but I feel like minute distribution has been pretty good given what those players have brought to the court. Lucas vanished once Trey got settled. Kanter's been getting a little more burn now that he's picked it up again. Evans has been playing well of late and seen more time. The only one who hasn't been seeing time is Gobert and so they put him in D-League to get some floor time.

Why not showcase what burks and kanter can do? Is there a rule that those two can't be traded?

Wouldn't a 4-6 seed love to have a younger, better, and cheaper player (burks) than an older, crappier, more expensive player (jefferson) who will be a free agent at the end of the year too?

 

[fishonjazz]

Or, perhaps our young players will develop better in a well-oiled and effective system. And perhaps they develop best on a team that has some fire in the belly, fight and ability to win games. And perhaps they develop well playing with some solid vets with good attitude, solid fundamentals and on-floor coaching.

And perhaps the best way for these things to happen is with Jefferson and Williams on the floor.

Perhaps you are correct.
Also perhaps you are wrong.

Perhaps the team would look even more like a well oiled machine with the core 5 starting.
Perhaps gobert, jeremy evans, and garrett would look great with some veteran leadership like jeffy and marv next to them, and improve the bench.

Perhaps next season we would fight deep into the playoffs due to the chemistry and cohesion developed from playing the core five together this year paying dividends.

I would love to be certain of this instead of just saying perhaps and maybe..... but with only 20 seconds of game time together for the core 5 in games like last night we will probably never know.

I guess we will perhaps have to take your word for it

 

[SojoDave]

I haven't been the biggest fan of Ty, but you have to admit that the guy works extremely hard. He gets the players to play hard and tries like a motha to win every game. Why should he care about developing the youth when he may not be here to benefit from the development. If he is not renewed, he's going to have to interview for a new gig and he wants to show his new employer that he tried to do everything he could to win. If DL's plan was to keep him after this season, they should have extended him before the season.

 

[VoiceofSanity]

This is the nba where coaches get fired like crazy. Corbin has no contract beyond this year, and most believe he is not coming back. He has no loyalty to the future of the Jazz, he only has loyalty to what will help the team win now. Honestly I think he has done a pretty good job this season although it could hurt us getting a top 3 pick.

 

[silesian]

context

Perhaps you are correct.
Also perhaps you are wrong.

Perhaps the team would look even more like a well oiled machine with the core 5 starting.
Perhaps gobert, jeremy evans, and garrett would look great with some veteran leadership like jeffy and marv next to them, and improve the bench.

Perhaps next season we would fight deep into the playoffs due to the chemistry and cohesion developed from playing the core five together this year paying dividends.

I would love to be certain of this instead of just saying perhaps and maybe..... but with only 20 seconds of game time together for the core 5 in games like last night we will probably never know.

I guess we will perhaps have to take your word for it

Context is important. My post was in response to the categorical statement that the only reason Corbin is playing the lineup is that he knows he is a lame duck. I have provided other logical reasons, that the current approach could reasonably be helping the long-term and short-term interests of the team.


Regarding certainty, you would not be certain if you played all five extensively together, because you could not compare it to the approach TC is using today. You will get what you get and would not know if Ty's approach would have been better or worse. So all we can do is speculate.

 

[fishonjazz]

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because you could not compare it to the approach TC is using today.

What are you talking about? We have had a nice sample size to see the approach that ty is using...... therefore if he would start and play the core 5 together for long stretches for the next 10 games or so, then we would certainly be able to make comparisons.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I don't disagree with you at all there GVC. But look at it from the POV that I am talking about. If Corbin knew that he was coming back next year and knew that his team would not be including RJ [he knows this] and Marvin [probably not] but he would have Kanter back, and he knows he isn't going to make the playoffs this year wouldn't you think he would roll out the guys he knows he is going to have back?

In a normal coaching year what he is doing makes a lot of sense. This year were we are not going to make the playoff wouldn't make sense to play the guys that are coming back next year and set yourself up to get a better player [what Mark Jackson did]?

My only point was that Corbin being in put in a place were he doesn't have a contract next year is coaching to prove something. That is why he is playing the line ups that work right now over the ones that are going to be there in the future.
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What you are asking Corbin to do is not what Mark Jackson did. He played lineups of 4 and 5 guards at critical times. He played d-league players down the stretch. He was much more concerned with losing games than he was with developing young talent. His tanking was blatantly obvious.

 

[akirac73]

While I don't think Corbin is exactly NBA Head Coaching material, he seems like a very good/respectable person. Even if the Jazz flat out told him this is his last year coaching the team, I don't think Corbin would intentionally try to **** the Jazz by limiting the playing time and not developing the young players properly. There's no ulterior motives going on here...Corbin is who he is, a coach that will play veterans over young players come hell or highwater. He simply doesn't know any better. That's my theory.

 

[silesian]

What are you talking about? We have had a nice sample size to see the approach that ty is using...... therefore if he would start and play the core 5 together for long stretches for the next 10 games or so, then we would certainly be able to make comparisons.

No need to be snippy, I try to explain it better : - )

We can certainly count wins and losses in 10 games, but the point we may disagree on is how well can you evaluate long-term player development and long-term team development over a course of 10 games? That is the point I was making (perhaps not so clearly).

Thanks for input.

 

[fishonjazz]

No need to be snippy, I try to explain it better : - )

We can certainly count wins and losses in 10 games, but the point we may disagree on is how well can you evaluate long-term player development and long-term team development over a course of 10 games? That is the point I was making (perhaps not so clearly).

Thanks for input.

I see.
So all we can do is speculate.

Sorry if I came across as snippy

 

[bjunior]

corbin is a dead case for me and it's not just the coaching skills

he has no personality, not really a smart guy and his intelligence is questionable, just listen his interviews - the guy sucks

dude is just a joke

 

[TheSilencer1313]

corbin is a dead case for me and it's not just the coaching skills

he has no personality, not really a smart guy and his intelligence is questionable, just listen his interviews - the guy sucks

dude is just a joke

The grass is always greener on the other side bro.
Were you also one of the cultest Sloan haters?