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Ellipse said:
I actually hope that Marvin re-signs with the Jazz, because he is a good complementary player. But Jefferson ain't coming back and his playing time is coming at the expense of Kanter and Burks.

Once again the Jazz are heading for the worst position to be in -- miss the playoffs and a 10-14 pick. Hell, the Jazz are on the verge of passing the Lakers in the standings.
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Well that indeed is true but my comment was more about because of whom we're winning. But yeah more PT for Enes and Alec!
 
gomretat said:
If 27 minutes a night for AB and 25 minutes a night for EK is not enough to develop them they don't belong in the NBA.
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Yes but its not just about development..... they are ready for larger roles and more minutes now.

They are already devolped to the point that they are better than marvin and jefferson
 
People do realize that we are in the marshmallow part of our schedule, right? We are going to win games and our players are going to look good doing it. In the last couple of months, our schedule tightens up considerably and we are more likely to have injury issues. If we were bombing games right now it would mean that our core sucked and that the tank would need to last multiple years. I'm not signing up for that. Obviously Kanter looks healthier so his minutes will go up. I'm not really sure that playing a physically hobbled Kanter 35 minutes a game would have accomplished much. As far as Burks is concerned, he still plays the same position as Hayward, and only in the last 5 games has he shown enough that he could displace Hayward for that starting SG position. Jazz have much invested in bringing along Hayward as a SG. For all we know Hayward's injury was a pretext for seeing if Alec could handle the starting SG duties. If he crashed, it would have been easy to bring Hayward back as the starter and Alec doesn't lose face. I suspect that a returning Hayward will see a lot more time at SF which is good because it means we have a legit SG AND SF which we haven't had in more than a decade. I just can't see what the bitching is about right now. Things are pretty good. Maybe not absolute best case, but approaching it.
 
Primetime said:
Props to Marvin and RJ for how well they are actually doing but they ain't doin the heavy duty! In the 13 wins RJ is 5th in PTS and 4th in AST. Marvin is 6th in PTS and 4th in REB. Not one of them has a higher USG% than the core5, Marvin doesn't have a higher REB% than the two big fellows and RJ doesn't have a higher AST% than the other 3 of the core5. The heavy duty was done by the core group. Yes, RJ and Marvin are doing great and they may even exceed our expactations but they are complementary pieces.
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so our vision of the future was right core 5+ nba coach = playoff+ great defense
 
i think the goal is to be in dis limbo. srs. fans always say the worst spot is to be mediocre, but tbh, i dont think thats the case in reality. in reality, a team that commits 100% to tankin, especially in a small market or a market not somewhere like NY, often loses a huge chunk of their fan base and more importantly their interest (inclding tix sales, merch., ratings, etc.). meanwhile a team 100% committed to tryin to win with flawed pieces and a bloated payrol has a similr effect eventually AND is overpayin. so i think the goal right now is to be in dis limbo and try to keep the fans interested. hope dis make some sense to any1 still readin. it did in my mind but i see now that it came out confusin after i typed it. im gonna try and do better i my next post. -Love HH
 
Core4 said:
The goal is to fill the ESA and sell as much merchandise as possible.
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Then the Jazz need to look at the bigger picture. A ten year plan needs to include Embiid, Wiggins or Parker to do that at the maximum level consistently. Go get a superstar and the fans will follow.
 
Ten year plan amounts to the majority of time that a top 3 rookie contract should realistically play in one city. Four years under his rookie contract and then a five year max deal. Hence the ten years.

My point was that they can't always be looking at the present when making decisions that affect the team's future. One All-NBA superstar player is worth a hell of a lot more money than a bunch of one-and-done playoff appearances.
 
Last I checked we're tied for the 4th worst record in the league. Our young players are growing and looking more legit every game. You're ****ing stupid.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Last I checked we're tied for the 4th worst record in the league. Our young players are growing and looking more legit every game. You're ****ing stupid.
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Can't tell if this was intended for me or not (since my post was right before yours.)

The funny thing is that I agree with everything you said (except about me possibly being ****ing stupid.)

I personally want more of the Core5 together for development and long-term chemistry, I want Marvin and Jefferson traded for assets (if possible) and I want the team (coaches especially) to be willing to take risks even if it costs them wins right now in the short term.
 
framer said:
People do realize that we are in the marshmallow part of our schedule, right?
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When we beat denver they were on a five game win streak and we were without our best player.

Last night we played a pretty good team (the spurs) on the road without our best player and almost beat them.

This team is not as bad as their record

And okc
 
fishonjazz said:
When we beat denver they were on a five game win streak and we were without our best player.

Last night we played a pretty good team (the spurs) on the road without our best player and almost beat them.

This team is not as bad as their record

And okc
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Yes, but those were mostly home games played with plenty of rest. Once we start hitting the road for extended periods and the back to backs, and especially now that other teams will actually bother scouting us, the pickin's won't be so easy. You can see that the league is already digesting the scouting reports on Burke. He has to work harder to get his. I somewhat suppose this is what happened with Kanter too. Now that he has added some range to his game he has broken the previous report. It will be fun to see what Burks does when his scouting report is updated.
 
I agree with this. They've done well lately, and they should continue to get better. . . but I don't see them going .500 to finish out the season.

Even if they beat Detroit, they're sitting at 14-27 for the first half of the season. I don't think they break 30 wins this year, and maybe even less depending on trades, injuries, fatigue, inexperience, coaching and (hopefully) trades that diminish the already bad bench.
 
Ellis269 said:
Can't tell if this was intended for me or not (since my post was right before yours.)

The funny thing is that I agree with everything you said (except about me possibly being ****ing stupid.)

I personally want more of the Core5 together for development and long-term chemistry, I want Marvin and Jefferson traded for assets (if possible) and I want the team (coaches especially) to be willing to take risks even if it costs them wins right now in the short term.
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Not for you, for dutchrudder.

Patience dude, our player are trending up and the team is still losing for a reason.
 
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