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The OFFICIAL don't draft Joel Embiid thread

This thread is stupid and should be renamed to "The official don't draft Dante Exum thread".
 
cowhide said:
Hakeem is NOT the best center of all time. Either Wilt chamberlain or Jabbar were. Personally I think Wilt is the best of all-time.
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We could never know. But jump in a time machine and throw them on otherwise identical rosters and Hakeem would win handily as he was more skilled in the post and possibly the greatest defensive player of all time.
 
NUMBERICA said:
So is 250 pounds for an 18-year old with a likely minimal focus on strength training still "skinny body frame"? I need answers because I'm starting to think that Beantown is possibly the worst thing to happen to the internet.
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You must not read very much on the internet :-)

Try the comments section on just about any news website, and you'll quickly be disabused of this notion.
 
UGLI baby said:
We aren't talking about some abstract thing here. We are talking about a basketball player you can watch with your eyeballs and evaluate with your brain.

All Beantown knows about the dude is that he is from Africa and very tall.


on the app. square bizness.
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And yet reasonable people will still disagree at times. Debating who's better than who in sports is hardly a self-evident, wholly objective exercise as a general rule (in some cases it is).

I disagree with your characterizations about Beantown in this case. From where I sit you are as guilty mischaracterizing his arguments as you think he is guilty mischaracterizing Embiid.
 
fishonjazz said:
Problem is that all the top picks are freshman which leaves pretty much no choice but to draft based on potential.
Also, these guys are in college so you have no idea how the "sure thing" will play in the nba.
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I don't disagree at all. But this doesn't rule out the possibility that some potential top picks might be considered riskier than others. That's all (at its core) Beantown is trying to argue--he thinks Embiid is a riskier choice than other potentially high lottery picks. People may disagree, but I hardly see it as a unreasonable conclusion to reach. I too am personally highly skeptical of 'project' big men, who based on my own unscientific observations seem to flame out at a much higher rate than they pan out. I don't know enough about Embiid to say one way or the other, but I think the grief Beantown is getting here is grossly disproportionate to what is merited.
 
fishonjazz said:
Ok
What are the odds that a late lottery pick or late first rounder or second rounder put us on the path to a championship?
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Not good at all. I wasn't suggesting that latter picks were more likely to put a team on a championship path only that high lottery picks typically didn't do so either as a counterpoint to the pervasive sense of hope here and at other teams that salvation lay only one high lottery draft pick away. It may, but historical odds suggest that it doesn't.
 
b_line said:
Who ever said that Ibaka or Bynum were his best case scenario? Everything I have seen says that Hakeem is his best case scenario. Not only that, but an uninjured and motivated Bynum was on track to be Shaq. That is one hell of a player.

And what is with the Ibaka comparisons anyway? Ibaka is a stretch 4 now.
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Yes, but wouldn't Hakeem be pretty much the best case scenario for just about any center? I guess the real question is: What are the odds of that happening, relative to the odds of being something much, much less than that?

You don't think it's a wee bit overstated to say that Bynum was on track to be Shaq?
 
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