The OFFICIAL don't draft Joel Embiid thread

[jimmy eat jazz]

He compared Embiid to two players he is nothing like and it is obvious that Bean has watched Embiid play very little or not at all.

If group think means common sense, then yeah, maybe.

Conventional wisdom is often confused with common sense.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

I don't see what your point is, regardless of the frequency of great picks it doesn't change the fact that we just want to get the best player we can.

I was replying to the point made above about how risky the lottery inherently is. This was my roundabout and long winded way of agreeing.

 

[Stoked]

Conventional wisdom is often confused with common sense.

Cluelessness is often confused with "bucking conventional wisdom".

 

[UGLI baby]

Conventional wisdom is often confused with common sense.

We aren't talking about some abstract thing here. We are talking about a basketball player you can watch with your eyeballs and evaluate with your brain.

All Beantown knows about the dude is that he is from Africa and very tall.


on the app. square bizness.

 

[addictionary]

Could Sene do this in college?

Looks like a couple of plays from Kanter if he played in Kentucky.

 

[Fabtrey]

what i want from Embiid is pretty simple.

alpha dog mentality - i still want him to want the ball more. i want him to have at least few jaw dropping stat lines. i don't mind 13pts 8reb 5blocks. but i want him to break out and give me that 30pts/18reb/7block type of game at least 2 times. give me a shaq line. just once or twice.

 

[fishonjazz]

Wow, Beantown is taking a beating for bucking conventional wisdom in this thread. The tyranny of group think is alive and evident here.

As a general rule, I am skeptical of drafting based on potential, particularly if the draft pick is in the #1-3 range, or thereabouts. I wonder (but do not care to take the time to investigate) how many, what % players drafted on the basis of potential have later reached this potential, let alone even panned out, both overall and for big men (for whom the term 'potential' seems most often applied). I'm guessing (again absent any actual proof) that the % is south of 50%.

While I understand the argument of 'swinging for the fence,' in this case, (were I the Jazz FO), given where the franchise finds itself, I'd be much more inclined toward a 'sure thing' (to the extent this is possible) than taking the risk and drafting on potential. It's a personal choice, but count me as someone who's more inclined toward Beantown's take on this (as far as riskiness goes at least).

Problem is that all the top picks are freshman which leaves pretty much no choice but to draft based on potential.
Also, these guys are in college so you have no idea how the "sure thing" will play in the nba.

 

[fishonjazz]

While high lottery picks are much more likely to be rotation players and all stars than non-lottery picks, the odds that a high lottery pick this year will put the Jazz on a championship trajectory are actually rather remote, at least historically.

Ok
What are the odds that a late lottery pick or late first rounder or second rounder put us on the path to a championship?

 

[fishonjazz]

what i want from Embiid is pretty simple.

alpha dog mentality - i still want him to want the ball more. i want him to have at least few jaw dropping stat lines. i don't mind 13pts 8reb 5blocks. but i want him to break out and give me that 30pts/18reb/7block type of game at least 2 times. give me a shaq line. just once or twice.

So you want him to not listen to his coach and just try to ball hog and ignore his very talented teammates..... basically piss off his teammates and coaches.

His coach preaches a team game and only allows embiid so many touches and minutes no matter what embiid wants so your wants are basically impossible for him to accomplish

 

[JimLes]

Problem is that all the top picks are freshman which leaves pretty much no choice but to draft based on potential.

Some of the aren't brand new to basketball and have offensive game, though.

I'd love to believe y'all that he's Hakeem number 2 because y'all watch college ball while I find it mind-numbingly boring, but I went to youtube and the first video when you search for Joel Embiid is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZOTtf5ldtI

I'm confused as to how he looks better than Thabeet did at UConn.

 

[8]

Some of the aren't brand new to basketball and have offensive game, though.

I'd love to believe y'all that he's Hakeem number 2 because y'all watch college ball while I find it mind-numbingly boring, but I went to youtube and the first video when you search for Joel Embiid is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZOTtf5ldtI

I'm confused as to how he looks better than Thabeet did at UConn.

Yeah maybe if you went off more than one highlight video you'd see how far off you are. If you watch Kansas play you'll find that they run many post isolations for Embiid, and he's pretty damn efficient on those.

 

[Beantown]

We aren't talking about some abstract thing here. We are talking about a basketball player you can watch with your eyeballs and evaluate with your brain.

All Beantown knows about the dude is that he is from Africa and very tall.

-He actually only 7 ft. There are plenty of 7 footers in the league. Very tall would be someone like Yao, Thabeet, Gobert...etc

-He's only played the game of basketball for a couple of years

-He's only played competitive ball for what 6 months?

-Yes he has shown improvement but he's not dominating enough to select him over Parker and Wiggins.....in my opinion.


People are really getting that pissed off because I'm saying he's risky and would should take Parker and Wiggins before Embiid?

Give me a friggin break.

If Embiid busts I'm going to laugh my *** off. You guys are all acting like he's Wilt Chamberlain.