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[GVC]

One thing, and I have no idea if there is any way to quantify it, is the type of possession. I would assume that turnovers become fast breaks much more often than the after-basket inbound pass, thus are scored at a higher percentage. Certainly not to the tune of 8 pts for every 2 TO's, though...

But I guess that only takes into account possessions that end in either a turnover or made basket. You still have to account for missed shots that are rebounded by your opponent...

Oh hell. Nevermind.

My post above answers your question.

 

[Bronco70]

Excellent work.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Is it a coincidence that our defense is better without Bozzer?

Is it a coincidence that our rebounding is worse without Bozzer?



Everyone shooting over .400 is like all position players batting over .200. Not anything to write home about.

 

[honz]

I think the catch-22 with Deron is, he is willing to play a little risky. This type of play can easily result in turnovers, but also leads to some of his most brilliant moments. You take the good with the bad. The best point guards figure out how to minimize that risk, but it is a process.

I'd be willing to bet that more of Deron's assists lead to dunks or blocks than any other player in the league. He always looks inside first and tries to force things a bit sometimes before kicking it out to the 3 point line.

 

[honz]

Is it a coincidence that our defense is better without Bozzer?

Yes, I would guess so.

 

[LunaticWolf]

CJ is assuming we would have scored on those possessions.

Lose out on our 2 and the opponent gets an easy 2. 4 point swing.

Of course, there is no way to assure we would have scored if we didn't turn it over.

 

[GVC]

CJ is assuming we would have scored on those possessions.

Lose out on our 2 and the opponent gets an easy 2. 4 point swing.

Of course, there is no way to assure we would have scored if we didn't turn it over.

He was double counting. It really is pretty simple. Read the posted quote from the posted article. Even if a team scores two points on their lost possessions, it is only a 2 point difference (plus a fraction of a point for ease of turnover buckets). This shouldn't have to be explained multiple times.

 

[carolinajazz]

A good read on the subject, CJ:

https://www.nba.com/celtics/stats/InsideTheNumbers11072005.html

So 2 turnovers = 2.58 points.

...nice find...and I'm not disputing the statistical truth of the matter. However, we turn the ball over on what should have been a easy basket (we miss getting two points)....opponent gets turnovered ball...scores easy basket. Instead of being 2-0 us....it's now 2-0 them! 2 points subtracted plus 2 points added...is a 4 point swing! Times 2 turnovers is an 8 point swing! Maybe it could better be explained with this video!

https://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7106559846794044495&q=ma+and+pa+kettle

 

[GVC]

...nice find...and I'm not disputing the statistical truth of the matter. However, we turn the ball over on what should have been a easy basket (we miss getting two points)....opponent gets turnovered ball...scores easy basket. Instead of being 2-0 us....it's now 2-0 them! 2 points subtracted plus 2 points added...is a 4 point swing! Times 2 turnovers is an 8 point swing! Maybe it could better be explained with this video!

https://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7106559846794044495&q=ma+and+pa+kettle

Had the Jazz not turned over the ball, the opposing team still would have kept their possession.

Scenario 1
Jazz: Score bucket
Opponent: Score bucket
Jazz: Score bucket
Opponent Score bucket
Score: 4 - 4

Scenario 2
Jazz: Turnover
Opponent: Score bucket
Jazz: Turnover
Opponent: Score bucket
Score: 4 - 0

That's a 4 point swing.

Opponents score only slightly more efficiently off turnovers than they do after made baskets. To count scoring off a turnover as 2 points and possessions after a made bucket 0 points is retarded. To count possessions that don't end in a turnover as 2 points is also pretty retarded.

2 turnovers = (roughly) a 2.5 point swing.

Please stop now.

Edit: Nice video, pa.

 

[carolinajazz]

.....score is 28 to 24 Jazz. Jazz have possession of the ball. They turn the ball over...on what would have made the score 30 to 24. But now, instead of 30 to 24 (6 point lead) the opponent scores....making it 28-26! No matter how you cut it...that's a 4 point swing! We should have 30 and they should have 24. But now, we still have 28 and they now have 26! X's two turnovers is 8 point swing!

 

[GVC]

I realize you're only goading me into responding. You win.

 

[LunaticWolf]

I realize you're only goading me into responding. You win.

Haven't you heard Boler and Harp talk about missing the easy two on our end, and the opponent hits a three on the other end? They call it a 5 point swing.