Anybody else think Alec Burks can be a 20-25PPG player with 30+ MPG?
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Why can't we have both? Jazz need more shooters and if Young can swing between SG/SF then it really works. A rotation of Burks/Young/Hayward would be terrific. The reason why I like Burks off the bench is because he gets to be the man. When Burks/Hayward/Favors etc start then Burks doesn't have the ball in his hands as much. However, I think he or Burke should be the guys with the rock in their hands while Hayward should be more of a spot up shooter.
ijazz
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Expected.
Teams will now gameplan for Burks.
This was the big thing that it Hayward this year.
Previous years, teams really didn't care about Hayward...now they plan for him.
Burks is about 1 year behind Hayward.
He is a talent. For me, he is too selfish. When no one plans for him, he can play alley ball and light it up. When they play like the Clippers did (per Locked) and help/sag/clog lane when he drives...not as good.
As to Hayward, Clippers announcers basically said what we all say, he is a #2 or #3 option. Robin, not batman.
Doublea
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the clippers were really guarding him tightly and had some great interior defense.
Coach Ellis
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Everyone keeps saying that Burks wouldn't have the ball in his hands if the Core5 were out there together, but the fact is that we just don't know if that's the case because Ty hasn't been willing to consistently use that lineup. I happen to think that Burks play would force the team to make him become the guy with the ball. Two bigs down low, Hayward off the ball and facilitating and taking the pressure off of Burke. I'd love to see it, but have come to terms with the fact that it won't happen until Ty Corbin is gone.
candrew
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Do you even watch basketball bro? The "Core 5" is the 14th most commonly used line-up by Corbin. Despite the fact that it has the 4th best eFG% and the 5th best eFG% allowed and a better +/- than 9 of the 13 more frequently used 5-man sets.
DutchJazzer
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because jeffersonw as on fire offensivly while being PWNED on the defensive end.
crobin thought RJ = Vet with hot hand so Burks should stay on bench
Your stats are compelling, but do you even watch basketball bro?
If it were up to posts like this, the Jazz 4th Best If No Ty!!!1111 would be competing for championships.
Coach Ellis
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You're a Ty Corbin fan. I'm not. We can agree to disagree on his value. But you can't say that Ty has a history of playing and developing young talent. Even in a throwaway year he can't bring himself to do it. I never said anything about the Jazz being great without Ty. I think they'd be better. I also think that they'd have a much better idea of what the future holds if he were gone and guys like Marvin and Jefferson barely saw the court.
My personal philosophy is that you should play your top 5 players as much as possible until you have overwhelming evidence that it does not work. Burks is clearly a starter by that standard, but he can't crack the lineup. I'm looking forward to what a good coach can do with these players.
You can only say he doesn't develop young talent if you don't watch the games and get all your information from a message board instead.
I don't need your magical lineup to see what the Jazz have. Novice fans do for some reason or another.
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Should have been a poll with this thread.
I went back through all the posts and it seems like these are the results:
People who think burks can eventually average 20 ppg: 17 posters.
People who dont think so: 5 posters
I dont know/maybe: 4 posters
I went back through all the posts and it seems like these are the results:
People who think burks can eventually average 20 ppg: 17 posters.
People who dont think so: 5 posters
I dont know/maybe: 4 posters
jazzrule
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Left me off your list.
Coach Ellis
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We'll just agree to disagree. I see a coach that doesn't have a good grasp on how to motivate or teach. He relies too much on vets to the detriment of young players skills and confidence.
You've got his back. I get that. It's admirable. I just don't think he's a good coach and I don't like his system. People who back Corbin always blame the players because the offense is stagnant and the defense sucks. They are very much to blame, but that doesn't change the fact that I think Corbin is (and has always been) in way over his head.
He's slow to react and make changes, he favors veterans too much even if they're playing poorly and I don't see him as being as innovative as other coaches. I think they can do better. That's not to say that playing the Core5 will automatically make them better or more successful. I think that it might, but it's a complete unknown right now. At the very least, it should answer a lot of questions about the future of this team and who they should keep to build around. I don't think Ty has done a good job of answering those questions at all.
Coach Ellis
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Fair enough.
Coach Ellis
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He should be the focal point for this team for a good long stretch. Move Gordon back to the 3 and see how Burks responds to being the #1 option. His confidence is sky high. Reward him with a starting job and let him put the team on his shoulders like Gordon has tried to do (with less than impressive results.) This would take the pressure off Hayward and let him be the #2 option shooter and glue guy again. I think they'd both respond well to those roles.