Can we just release Burke and Hayward?

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Hayward is a playmaker. He has to be used like a playmaker.

I know he is white and all white people should be dead-eye shooters, but Hayward is weird. He isn't a great shooter, he has to pick and choose his shots to have good %. He can be a good 3pt shooter in that regard. We have to change his shots to his strengths (more spot ups, like Russel I guess) but we still have to give him the ball to take advantage of having a wing playmaker.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Hayward is a playmaker. He has to be used like a playmaker.

I know he is white and all white people should be dead-eye shooters, but Hayward is weird. He isn't a great shooter, he has to pick and choose his shots to have good %. He can be a good 3pt shooter in that regard. We have to change his shots to his strengths (more spot ups, like Russel I guess) but we still have to give him the ball to take advantage of having a wing playmaker.

Nothing screams championship more than a "playmaking" SF who can't shoot and a 6 foot PG used as a SG.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Nothing screams championship more than a "playmaking" SF who can't shoot and a 6 foot PG used as a SG.

We...haven't...seen..what...this...team...can...do...when...healthy.
Favors is bothered by a hip injury. Burke's finger is still weak. Hayward has been out at times. Kanter has been suffering from a bruised ego all season. Just need to get them all back and let them gel.

And with so much roster churn, I don't think Corbin has been given a fair shake, either. With the new draft picks coming in, our current "youngsters" will be the veterans next year. Lindsey needs to give Corbin another year to evaluate him fairly. See what Ty can do once he has legit starters at every position and a bench of NBA-level talent.

 

[akirac73]

Hayward is a playmaker. He has to be used like a playmaker.

Gordon Hayward myth #945. Hayward as the Jazz's primary playmaker/ball-handler = 1-13 record to start the season. I'll pass (pun intended).

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Gordon Hayward myth #945. Hayward as the Jazz's primary playmaker/ball-handler = 1-13 record to start the season. I'll pass (pun intended).

Did I ever say I wanted him to be the primary playermaker? He has to be a playmaker though. You don't treat him and Byron Russel as the same player. Go back to mediocre posting please.

The problem with Hayward is that he has been asked to be the primary playmaker. It was a good move to test to see if he could do that, because it shows the league his limits. I don't think he is going to get an offer over 12/million. I think most teams would be willing to sign him to that, but would be weary to go above it.

Hayward can still get a lot better, but it isn't in the primary playmaker role.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Gordon Hayward myth #945. Hayward as the Jazz's primary playmaker/ball-handler = 1-13 record to start the season. I'll pass (pun intended).

Let's go back to the Hayward model of last season. I'm not saying "Alfense." Let's just have Hayward have fewer touches. Let the PG do what he was drafted for, and have Hayward shoot like a "shooting" guard should. He can still facilitate. AK had that role and was getting plenty of chances for assists, but he was never called on to be the "point forward."

Reading what CT has just posted, I think we're closer in agreement than I first thought.

 

[Primetime]

Gordon Hayward myth #945. Hayward as the Jazz's primary playmaker/ball-handler = 1-13 record to start the season. I'll pass (pun intended).

That is one of people's arguments I hate the most. And different people use it every time they try to make a point. Enes and Derrick doesn't work together(see 1-13 start), OMG our core sucks(see 1-13 start) and now Gordon can't be a playmaker(see 1-13 start). Seriously people it's not like we just didn't have Trey. We also didn't have Marvin and Evans! So we didn't have 3 of our rotation guys. And it's not like we can afford to lose more than one player.

So please people stop using that argument. Please!!!

 

[akirac73]

Did I ever say I wanted him to be the primary playermaker? He has to be a playmaker though. You don't treat him and Byron Russel as the same player. Go back to mediocre posting please.

The problem with Hayward is that he has been asked to be the primary playmaker. It was a good move to test to see if he could do that, because it shows the league his limits. I don't think he is going to get an offer over 12/million. I think most teams would be willing to sign him to that, but would be weary to go above it.

Hayward can still get a lot better, but it isn't in the primary playmaker role.

You're right, you never said "primary" playmaker. I think we can agree that the results have been disastrous with the offense running primarily through Hayward. I have no problem with Hayward being a secondary playmaker, sort of like how Jeff Hornacek was on the Jazz (averaging 3-4 assists/game).

 

[Stifle Tower]

You're right, you never said "primary" playmaker. I think we can agree that the results have been disastrous with the offense running primarily through Hayward. I have no problem with Hayward being a secondary playmaker, sort of like how Jeff Hornacek was on the Jazz (averaging 3-4 assists/game).

So can we all agree Corbin might be at the heart of the problem?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don't think there is a single poster on the board who wants Corbin back next year. There are varying values of blame and praise we lay on him, but I don't think anyone wants him back.

 

[fishonjazz]

I don't think there is a single poster on the board who wants Corbin back next year. There are varying values of blame and praise we lay on him, but I don't think anyone wants him back.

I think frank does.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I don't think there is a single poster on the board who wants Corbin back next year. There are varying values of blame and praise we lay on him, but I don't think anyone wants him back.

franklin (in real life, Mrs. Ty?).