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ijazz

ijazz

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This is really heating up. Reports are utah wants a #1 pick and as of now celtics won't do it


Gtime may be in green soon


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Here is the deal:

Hayward is a very, very nice player. He would look very good next to Rondo and looks good in Utah.

Utah can afford to overpay Hayward. So can Boston. So, whoever has Hayward this summer will keep him. By holding that leverage, most teams won't even look at Hayward because it will be a waste of time. This means whoever has him this summer will get him at a fair price.

So, if you want Hayward, you had better pay up. You had better give Utah the opportunity to get a player just as good as Hayward, which means Utah wants a top 10 pick back.

The risk/reward is this: Do you trade a pick that could be better than Hayward, or could be worse for the known quantity?

The point is, the only way Hayward isn't wearing the note next year is if someone gives Utah an amazing deal. AMAZING.
 
I really like hayward..... but as everyone knows, i like burks better.

I especially like burks + jabari/wiggins better than hayward.

Make it happen DL
 
Remember KOC was here when hayward drafted.

I do not think DL values him as was evident with no contract


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ijazz said:
This is really heating up. Reports are utah wants a #1 pick and as of now celtics won't do it


Gtime may be in green soon


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The only report is that Celtics are interested, everything else was writer speculation.
 
Jazz playing chicken with Boston.
As it stands now, Boston won't have cap room to make Gordon an offer this summer without making some significant trades. They're nearly $12M OVER the cap right now. Expirings are Humphries ($12M), Bayless ($3M) and Avery ($2.5). Add in cap holds for their picks and they're dead in the water. They'd need to clear off Rondo, Wallace or Bass and Bogans. Bass has value but good luck finding a taker for Wallace's contract.

Simply put, if they want Hayward, they have to trade Rondo to a team that won't send salary back or give up their lottery pick. It's that simple. And even then, Utah can (and likely will) match an offer for Hayward. Or, some other team may step in ahead of Boston while they're trying to clear room and sign Hayward to an offer sheet.
 
Hopefully this is all posturing by Boston. Maybe they in fact willing to give up a first round pick for Hayward, but they want to see what kind of garbage they can sell us on first.
 
Hayward has not improved his shot selection at all this entire year. He is consistently bad at choosing his shots. Settling for fade away jumpers all the time.
Burks is our future wing player. Get a role player next to Burks at the 3. Hayward could be a really good role player but he thinks he is a star and doesn't attack the basket enough.

Trade him away for draft picks. I have no interest in keeping him. You don't deserve anywhere close to 10 million a year if you can barely shoot 40 percent.
 
Core4 said:
Jazz playing chicken with Boston.
As it stands now, Boston won't have cap room to make Gordon an offer this summer without making some significant trades. They're nearly $12M OVER the cap right now. Expirings are Humphries ($12M), Bayless ($3M) and Avery ($2.5). Add in cap holds for their picks and they're dead in the water. They'd need to clear off Rondo, Wallace or Bass and Bogans. Bass has value but good luck finding a taker for Wallace's contract.

Simply put, if they want Hayward, they have to trade Rondo to a team that won't send salary back or give up their lottery pick. It's that simple. And even then, Utah can (and likely will) match an offer for Hayward. Or, some other team may step in ahead of Boston while they're trying to clear room and sign Hayward to an offer sheet.
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Nice analysis. This is why they would have to engineer a trade.
 
akirac73 said:
Hopefully this is all posturing by Boston. Maybe they in fact willing to give up a first round pick for Hayward, but they want to see what kind of garbage they can sell us on first.
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Bogans or Anthony works in terms of a straight trade.
Boston might be insisting on throwing in Wallace (contract for 2 more seasons) in exhange for Biedrins in order to give them cap space. I'd stay put on that one. Hayward can always be dealt for the rights to their pick this summer. And if Utah wants to deal Hayward, put him on the market and see what other assets teams would be willing to give up. There could be a decent bidding war for him. Not too many other FA's of note will be available this summer (unless a few opt out of their contracts).

Worst case, IMO, is Hayward goes to Boston and helps them win enough games to have them finish 9th. But subtract Gordon and the Jazz could fall to #5 or #6. Would the #6 and #9 be enough to trade into the top-3?
 
If the Jazz are in love with Mcdermott getting the Boston pick would be the way to go. Boston would finish in the 9-12 range once Hayward joins them. Mcdermott matches better with Burks, classic slasher/shooter wing combo.
The Jazz could also try and move up in the top 3 with Boston's pick. Looking at it in that perspective, we would essentially be trading Hayward + our own pick for Parker. And I think all of us do that.
 
If, and its a big if imo, they were to trade us thier pick for hayward then i could see our tank getting back on track and we end up with the 4th or 5th pick.
Golden state falls into the lottery and we get the 14th
Boston improves a little and we get the 9th or 10th pick from them.

Trade 4th, 14th, 9th, and kanter to one of the teams in the top 3 that need lots of help at multiple positions.

Or maybe the 3 lotto picks would be enough and we keep kanter.

Or if none of that is enough then 3 lotto picks to round out our team would still be pretty sweet.

All with the added bonus of not having to pay hayward big money.
 
Hayward's value is his versatility. He handles, passes, defends, rebounds, leads breaks, plays hard, etc. A versatile 6'8" player like that is always a valuable commodity. For some reason, his handle has been very loose and he turns it over too much, but if he were in a structured system, I think that would get cleaned up. He could be awesome in San Antonio moving the ball on offense like Manu used to. The Jazz are holding all the cards here. They have no reason to flinch on a low-ball offer. They can re-sign Hayward and trade him a year from now if they want.
 
Jazz4ever said:
If the Jazz are in love with Mcdermott getting the Boston pick would be the way to go. Boston would finish in the 9-12 range once Hayward joins them. Mcdermott matches better with Burks, classic slasher/shooter wing combo.
The Jazz could also try and move up in the top 3 with Boston's pick. Looking at it in that perspective, we would essentially be trading Hayward + our own pick for Parker. And I think all of us do that.
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Don't expect anyone to trade a top-3 pick this year. A team would have to fall in love with Randle or Exum enough to pass on Wiggins, Parker or Embiid. Don't bet on it.
 
We aren't getting their 1st round pick guys... It's says that they are reluctant on giving any of the 1st rounders that they have. I would say no to any trade that didn't involve their pick though. Hayward is way better then that. Just imagine them next year if they had Rondo, Hayward, and a top 5 pick. They would be good fast and we would be in an even worse position.
 
fishonjazz said:
If, and its a big if imo, they were to trade us thier pick for hayward then i could see our tank getting back on track and we end up with the 4th or 5th pick.
Golden state falls into the lottery and we get the 14th
Boston improves a little and we get the 9th or 10th pick from them.

Trade 4th, 14th, 9th, and kanter to one of the teams in the top 3 that need lots of help at multiple positions.

Or maybe the 3 lotto picks would be enough and we keep kanter.

Or if none of that is enough then 3 lotto picks to round out our team would still be pretty sweet.

All with the added bonus of not having to pay hayward big money.
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Making a trade that helps Boston improve does help Utah's chances of getting into the top 5 of the draft. There's some synergy there. I don't think the Celtics are going to climb the standings that much though. The bottom 8 teams are pretty set apart right now.
 
Doublea said:
We aren't getting their 1st round pick guys... It's says that they are reluctant on giving any of the 1st rounders that they have. I would say no to any trade that didn't involve their pick though. Hayward is way better then that. Just imagine them next year if they had Rondo, Hayward, and a top 5 pick. They would be good fast and we would be in an even worse position.
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I agree
Bostons first or no deal
 
Catchall said:
Making a trade that helps Boston improve does help Utah's chances of getting into the top 5 of the draft. There's some synergy there. I don't think the Celtics are going to climb the standings that much though. The bottom 8 teams are pretty set apart right now.
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Even better
 
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