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Alec has taken over as our alpha dog.

GVC said:
Who hates on Burks? I can't think of a single poster on Jazzfanz who fits this description.
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BTP said:
Honestly I don't see the effort in most games. He takes plays off, his help is translucent and off the ball he loses often track of his man. He closes out okay and 1v1 defense I don't like his stance and decision making.
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Also another quote from BTP............."But unfortunately Alec's play is way closer to Shaqtin a fool often".
 
GVC said:
Who hates on Burks? I can't think of a single poster on Jazzfanz who fits this description.
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Scorpjazz said:
If Alex is our alpha dog, we get lotto for next few years. he is decent but very very one dimensional. Not saying Hayward is the answer either..keep em both, good 3-4 options, maybe Gtime can move up to 2 option someday...Alex is 3-4 at best
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BTP said:
Right now he's between 4 and 6 annually at most. fringe starter. And he's fringe starter because quality of NBA shooting guards is so incredibly low. Quality reserve is what he would be on deeper positions like PG, SF.
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More hatin
 
If I was the coach I would make both Burks and Burke keep setting picks and screens (ala vintage Stockton) until they darn well learned how to USE a screen to score or at least break free of their defender. Learning to do that is part of the missing piece both need to get to the next level.
 
I looked up burks shot chart from last night on the utah jazz app.

10 of his 14 shot attempts were in the paint right at the hoop.

Good shot selection
 
Bodhi said:
If Hayward was putting up the kind of numbers Burks is right now, in the same minutes, the average poster would be talking about max money. For whatever reason people think what he's doing is a fluke.

Dude is probably one of the best in the league at getting to the rim and either scoring or drawing fouls/getting to the line. I don't think he's going to be a star but I believe he is AS important as Hayward if not likely more.
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WHat happens when teams start game planning to stop his one-dimensional scoring attack? You want Burks in that ISO role with no offensive movement? I don't.

Alec needs to develop a triple threat position (among other things). Then we'll begin talking alpha dog.
 
BTP said:
I have already watched a full game solely focusing on Burks and writing it down play by play detailing his performance. Nowadays I see a 8 min summary usually and I see exactly what I've seen in that in depth when other teams score on him ;)

I also don't say that others play better defense or stuff. But James Harden has a 60% True Shooting, scores 10 points more per 100 possessions, hits 3s, doesn't go where the defense wants him to go, instead goes where wants through the middle and makes the defense collapse. Burks assists are created through misdirection plays, by doing a seemingly bad move, then with the help of the screener capitalizing on the defense doing what's predicted and finding the hole. Plus Harden plays 10 more mins, so fatigue is a bigger factor for him.
I don't know I just wanna see Burks playing consistent and playing smart and playing efficient. If he can do that for 1 season. Then I'm talking about throwing money at him. Right now he's between 4 and 6 annually at most. fringe starter. And he's fringe starter because quality of NBA shooting guards is so incredibly low. Quality reserve is what he would be on deeper positions like PG, SF.
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The Burks apologists don't care about ts%, the eyeball test, or winning basketball.
 
franklin said:
The Burks apologists don't care about ts%, the eyeball test, or winning basketball.
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GVC said:
On topic: Burks has been impressive this year. One thing that isn't often mentioned is his improved spot-up game. Per NBA.com's player tracking data, he has an eFG% of .618 in catch and shoot opportunities (.453 3FG%), which is second on the team behind Diante (who's also starting to look like a passable backup 1). Synergy Sports has him at 1.06 Points per possession on spot ups (.458 3FG%). Pretty impressive numbers. I suspect his overall 3FG% is as low as it, at least in part, because he shoots a lot of last second deep 3s (Synergy Sports has him shooting and missing 14 3s listed under "All Other Plays"). If he were used as an off-ball player more, hanging out in the corner, he could conceivably get his 3FG% up in the 37-40% range (or higher?). Dude's a keeper; hopefully the Jazz can lock him up this summer.
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Boom
 
I've said this all along:

Alec Burks is a lock for sixth man of the year, but I don't want him starting on my team.

I want Burks on the Jazz, and I'd give him 8 per before I'd give Hayward 12 per. I just don't want him starting.
 
fishonjazz said:
Solid reasoning btw
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You do realize that a lot of his minutes come against bench players and that teams aren't focusing on him, right? Do you honestly think his great numbers will continue when teams key off on him and he is playing against starters?
 
franklin said:
WHat happens when teams start game planning to stop him?
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No one knows the answer to that question.

We will just have to wait and see
 
Locke just tweeted that Burks lately gets to the line at a higher % of his possessions then both Durant and Harden.

Burks at 18% Harden 16% and Durant is at 15%. This is over the last ten games.
 
green said:
You do realize that a lot of his minutes come against bench players and that teams aren't focusing on him, right? Do you honestly think his great numbers will continue when teams key off on him and he is playing against starters?
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You realize that when hayward was out with injury that burks scored a career high 34 pts as a starter and averaged over 20 per game for the 5 games he has started right?

As far as his production when teams start focusing on him goes.... no one knows how he will do in that situation

So ya go ahead and dont give him the benefit of the doubt and just assume he wont be able to handle it.


I did see miami focusing on alec and doing everything they could think of to stop him.... without being able to (burks scored 31 and had 7 assists btw)
In that game wade guarded him the most, but they also used lebron, chalmers, cole, allen, and bosh on him. None slowed him down.
They also tried doubling and triple teaming him..... leading to his 7 assists.

But we should just assume he cant handle it


Oh ya and he is 22 years old so lets just assume that he wont improve and will never be able to be a quality starter.
 
green said:
You do realize that a lot of his minutes come against bench players and that teams aren't focusing on him, right? Do you honestly think his great numbers will continue when teams key off on him and he is playing against starters?
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We already know what happens -- the offense stagnates and Burks cannot drive. But the apologists think he's MJ or Harden or Wade and ignore the on-ball/off-ball differences in play.

Burks wouldn't do much without the two on-ball players JF currently wants thrown out with the trash creating for him (Hayward and Burke).
 
franklin said:
Burks wouldn't do much without the two on-ball players JF currently wants thrown out with the trash creating for him (Hayward and Burke).
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Funny how burks played his best game of his career with hayward injured and looked good while hayward was out with injury.... and the team won at about the same rate
 
GVC said:
Who hates on Burks? I can't think of a single poster on Jazzfanz who fits this description.
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How could i have forgotten about franklin
 
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