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Utah Denied A Wet Bandit Trade???!!

GVC said:
If true, it's ****ing retarded; any 1st round pick for Marvin is a good haul. Even if he were traded, the Jazz could sign him as a free agent this summer. Not sure I'm buying this story.
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No ****ing way he comes back if he's traded. It's delusional to believe otherwise.
 
UGLI baby said:
We want the most lottery balls possible.

This is the last time I will explain this to any of you.

It i not some mythical process, it is a math equation.
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No you ****ing idiot, don't you remember how the Bulls got Rose? Obviously the 14th spot in the lottery is what we should covet.


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If we land Jabari, would we need Marvin? So if by keeping Marvin we help rule out Jabari, then we need to keep Marvin because we won't have Jabari, right?
 
infection said:
If we land Jabari, would we need Marvin? So if by keeping Marvin we help rule out Jabari, then we need to keep Marvin because we won't have Jabari, right?
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Nice thing about Marvin is he can play 3 or 4. Jabari can also play both 3 an 4. I see no reason they can't function together.
 
gregbroncs said:
Nice thing about Marvin is he can play 3 or 4. Jabari can also play both 3 an 4. I see no reason they can't function together.
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Easy, move Marvin to the bench player a line up of Burke, Burks, Hayward, Jabari, and Favors. If we still have kanter he'll come off the bench too. Add in some nice filler vet players and we good to go.
 
gregbroncs said:
Nice thing about Marvin is he can play 3 or 4. Jabari can also play both 3 an 4. I see no reason they can't function together.
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And the more we play Marvin and keep up the "win three more meaningless games" mentality where we finish higher than all the tanking teams (which is what everything we're doing translates to), then landing Jabari becomes a significantly reduced possibility statistically when those three wins will be separating a lot of teams at the end of the season.

I don't think we need to be content with the "well let's just kinda tank and see where the cards fall" idea.
 
infection said:
And the more we play Marvin and keep up the "win three more meaningless games" mentality where we finish higher than all the tanking teams (which is what everything we're doing translates to), then landing Jabari becomes a significantly reduced possibility statistically when those three wins will be separating a lot of teams at the end of the season.

I don't think we need to be content with the "well let's just kinda tank and see where the cards fall" idea.
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Then we build with somebody else. I'm not as sold on the picks in this years draft as others. Also losing does little to guarantee picks. We could end up 8-10 and still pick 1-3. I just don't believe that tanking is the end all be all to fixing a franchise that some here do. Hell GS tanked the hell out of it a few years ago and the guy they got would not help us much if any at all. Top 3 pick or not this team will struggle to make the playoffs for the next 2 years. We just don't have the overall talent level to be competitive and that talent can be acquired in more ways than just the draft.
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I was more about the development of this team and on that score I've been okay with this season. If not the coach taking us there. I still think Kanter and Favors together is unproven and if paired with Marvin and Burke instead of Jefferson and Tinsley could have worked. But overall I've liked the direction of some of the young guys and believe this can be a playoff team with some additions.
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I'm fully aware that neither of these opinions is popular here.
 
gregbroncs said:
Then we build with somebody else. I'm not as sold on the picks in this years draft as others. Also losing does little to guarantee picks. We could end up 8-10 and still pick 1-3. I just don't believe that tanking is the end all be all to fixing a franchise that some here do. Hell GS tanked the hell out of it a few years ago and the guy they got would not help us much if any at all. Top 3 pick or not this team will struggle to make the playoffs for the next 2 years. We just don't have the overall talent level to be competitive and that talent can be acquired in more ways than just the draft.
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I was more about the development of this team and on that score I've been okay with this season. If not the coach taking us there. I still think Kanter and Favors together is unproven and if paired with Marvin and Burke instead of Jefferson and Tinsley could have worked. But overall I've liked the direction of some of the young guys and believe this can be a playoff team with some additions.
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I'm fully aware that neither of these opinions is popular here.
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I get that there's no guarantee in the lottery, but if you believe, as I do, that a few games will be separating a lot of teams, then that's the difference between a 15% chance of a top 3 pick and a 45% chance at a top 3 pick. We also can't judge this team on this year's roster. It's not like we'll be rolling into next season with the same guys and no bench. This doesn't mean we're going out to buy all-stars, but we'll get reasonable players when we're actually paying. This team, when filled out with reasonable role players we can obtain, will be a decent playoff team in a couple years. This team, coupled with said role players and someone like Jabari, will be championship contenders in a few years. I'm not a guy who overreacts, but that's how I see it. That's why this quasi tanking is so baffling when we consider long-term effects. We need to position ourselves the best way possible.
 
Here is what's off: Marvin is to be blamed for ruining the tank. Seriously????WTFFFF?????? Turn your animosity towards the org or the moronic coach. Jesus this debate is so ****ing stupid. Lol lol lol rofl
 
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