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[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];777670 said:
The Chicago Bulls would be sunk without Tony Snell
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He is a rotation player for them that plays minutes. 3 years from now he could be a starter and still be on a very valuable rookie contract.
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];777675 said:
By contrast, NFL players are lucky to last into their 4th year. WHICH MEANS.................??????????????
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That those later rounds picks are important to replace players.
 
Looked at the Seahawks depth chart, out of their starters (according to ESPN) on offense and defense, only 3 are 1st round picks.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
1st rounders are more valuable in the NBA because you only have 2 picks. You lose it, you only have 1 pretty crappy pick.

NFL you lose the 1st, still have 6 other good picks.

It's relative value.
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I think we're also comparing apples to oranges. I can agree with both huge and Cy on different aspects of their arguments. Certainly, in the NFL you have a bigger pool of players. A roster is never going to consist of primarily first-round picks and a few scrubs and older veterans (who may or may not have been high picks ten years ago).

Granted, there are stars in the middle of every NFL draft. And there are stars in the 2nd round of every NBA draft. Proportionally, it may be about the same. If you calculate 2 players drafted vs. a 15 player roster in the NBA and 7 players drafted vs. a 53-man roster in the NFL, that means a team is potentially drafting 13% of their roster each season. And I'd guess about the same number of players stick. Second-rounders rarely make NBA teams (or are gone after 1-2 years). And the same holds true for players in Rds 5-7 of the NFL draft.

Of course you also have to factor in substitutions. In the NFL, a lot of starters on both sides of the ball play every snap. That doesn't happen in the NBA; no one plays all 48 mins.

In the end, I'd say it's much more critical to get picks right in the 1st round of the NBA. One pick is the equivalent of a 1st, 2nd and 3rd selection in the NFL. In the NFL, you can draft 3 CB's, for example, and hope one turns out to be a starter. Can't do that in the NBA.
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];777681 said:
^still not getting it.


You might have been onto something when you said "relative value"... but you didn't follow through. Lazy, right?
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Probably because I already explained it?
 
Core4 said:
I think we're also comparing apples to oranges. I can agree with both huge and Cy on different aspects of their arguments. Certainly, in the NFL you have a bigger pool of players. A roster is never going to consist of primarily first-round picks and a few scrubs and older veterans (who may or may not have been high picks ten years ago).

Granted, there are stars in the middle of every NFL draft. And there are stars in the 2nd round of every NBA draft. Proportionally, it may be about the same. If you calculate 2 players drafted vs. a 15 player roster in the NBA and 7 players drafted vs. a 53-man roster in the NFL, that means a team is potentially drafting 13% of their roster each season. And I'd guess about the same number of players stick. Second-rounders rarely make NBA teams (or are gone after 1-2 years). And the same holds true for players in Rds 5-7 of the NFL draft.

Of course you also have to factor in substitutions. In the NFL, a lot of starters on both sides of the ball play every snap. That doesn't happen in the NBA; no one plays all 48 mins.

In the end, I'd say it's much more critical to get picks right in the 1st round of the NBA. One pick is the equivalent of a 1st, 2nd and 3rd selection in the NFL. In the NFL, you can draft 3 CB's, for example, and hope one turns out to be a starter. Can't do that in the NBA.
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How many 2nd round "stars" (using that term very loosely) are there in the NBA right now?

Millsap
Parsons
Ginobili
Matthews

Struggling to think of names past that. There are players who are the best at their position in the entire NFL who aren't 1st round picks. You can't say that about any 2nd round pick in the NBA right now.
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];777660 said:
I'm not playing that crap. This over-simplifies things waaaaay too much.

For example, what's the difference in value from an NBA pick near the top of the first round versus one near the bottom of the first round? What's the difference in value between an NFL pick near the top of the first round versus one near the bottom of the first round?

Next, let's discuss the differences between staffing NBA team and an NFL team such that they can be consistent within a coaching philosophy.



Or, we can get diverted to your trash question.
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Wow, this post and you're claiming my simple question is trash. Go home, son, you fail.

First round in the NBA is the first half of the draft. NFL is around the first eighth or so. Add roster size and the vast MAJORITY of NBA players are first round picks. In that case, the first round NBA picks are more valuable.

If you want to add half the NFL draft to coincide with the full first round of the NBA draft, the last half of the NFL would yield a better team than second round NBA picks. In that scenario, first round NBA picks are more valuable.

If you want to drop the NBA first round to the picks that coincide with the NFL, the first 7 picks, then the first seven picks of the NBA draft are more valuable than the first round of the NFL draft.



The top players in the NBA influence their team success more than the top players in the NFL, therefore the picks they're selected at are far more valuable than fit into a coaching philosophy. So much so that players selected a third of the way through the NBA draft are more valuable than the players in, say, the first sixth of the NFL draft. You fit your coaching philosophy to match the players in the NBA. A first round pick in the NBA is more valuable than a first round pick in the NFL.
 
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