Revise Restricted Free Agent Rules!

[Bawse Dawg]

I disagree. Your metrics are too common-sensical, i.e. they aren't specific enough to either sport to have much traction. Good math though, son! Go home now.

You are embarrassing yourself.

 

[oldtimer]

How about compensatory picks instead. Teams that lose RFA can get a first round draft pick between the lottery and the playoff teams. That way teams that sign restricted free agents are not punished but losing the RFA doesn't hurt as bad.

 

[cowhide]

It works in the NFL because draft picks aren't as important and there are more rounds.

And contracts are not guaranteed.

 

[Coach Ellis]

And contracts are not guaranteed.

Great point. Guaranteed contracts and rate of injury play huge factors in the longevity of careers between the two sports.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Every three years, 1/5th of the entire workforce in the NBA is guaranteed to be a 1st round pick on a rookie contract. After guaranteed contracts end, guys who can't cut it are on non-guaranteed contracts, over in Europe or out of the league.

By comparison, every three years, 1/17th of the workforce in the NFL will be working on those same relatively guaranteed rookie contract. Despite Cy's position earlier, most of the star players in the NFL are in fact 1st round picks.

I guess that we're going to have to agree to disagree on the value of first round picks. Here's how I see it. . . Missing on a top 5 pick can be devestating in both leagues. Missing on a top 10 NBA pick is pretty comparable to missing on a later 1st round NFL pick. Missing on a 20ish 1st round NBA pick is pretty comparable to missing on a 2nd round NFL pick. Missing on a late first round NBA pick is comparable to missing on a 3rd/4th round NFL pick. 2nd round NBA picks are very comparable to 5th-7th round NFL picks. D-League and 10-day contract guys are comparable to undrafted NFL free agents.

The roster sizes and talent pool are too wide in differences to really compare the two.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Every three years, 1/5th of the entire workforce in the NBA is guaranteed to be a 1st round pick on a rookie contract. After guaranteed contracts end, guys who can't cut it are on non-guaranteed contracts, over in Europe or out of the league.

By comparison, every three years, 1/17th of the workforce in the NFL will be working on those same relatively guaranteed rookie contract. Despite Cy's position earlier, most of the star players in the NFL are in fact 1st round picks.

I guess that we're going to have to agree to disagree on the value of first round picks. Here's how I see it. . . Missing on a top 5 pick can be devestating in both leagues. Missing on a top 10 NBA pick is pretty comparable to missing on a later 1st round NFL pick. Missing on a 20ish 1st round NBA pick is pretty comparable to missing on a 2nd round NFL pick. Missing on a late first round NBA pick is comparable to missing on a 3rd/4th round NFL pick. 2nd round NBA picks are very comparable to 5th-7th round NFL picks. D-League and 10-day contract guys are comparable to undrafted NFL free agents.

The roster sizes and talent pool are too wide in differences to really compare the two.

Really? QB and WR are the only position off the top of my head where the stars are an overwhelming majority 1st rounders.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Really? QB and WR are the only position off the top of my head where the stars are an overwhelming majority 1st rounders.

You should add LT, CB and defensive line/pass rusher in general. Those are the power positions in the NFL and are represented by top picks in the NFL draft. I will agree that there are outliers, but positional value has to be taken into consideration in a sport that has 22 starting jobs per team and a wide discrepancy of starting positions per team. For example, a starting center has less value than a starting guard which has less value than a starting left tackle. Left tackles are usually the star of the offensive line and typically a first round pick. Doesn't mean that a first round pick won't be used on a guard or center, but they're not the stars of the team.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You should add LT, CB and defensive line/pass rusher in general. Those are the power positions in the NFL and are represented by top picks in the NFL draft. I will agree that there are outliers, but positional value has to be taken into consideration in a sport that has 22 starting jobs per team and a wide discrepancy of starting positions per team. For example, a starting center has less value than a starting guard which has less value than a starting left tackle. Left tackles are usually the star of the offensive line and typically a first round pick. Doesn't mean that a first round pick won't be used on a guard or center, but they're not the stars of the team.

Yeah, defensive end especially is probably another one.

Best CB's aren't 1st roudners though.

Sherman

 

[Coach Ellis]

Yeah, defensive end especially is probably another one.

Best CB's aren't 1st roudners though.

Sherman

Again, agree to disagree. All-Pro cornerbacks for the past 3 years. . .

Charles Woodson (1st)
Darrelle Revis (1st)
Patrick Peterson (1st)
Aqib Talib (1st)
Joe Haden (1st)
Champ Bailey (1st)
Johnathan Joseph (1st)
Carlos Rodgers (1st)
Charles Tillman (2nd)
Tim Jennings (2nd)
Alterraun Verner (4th)
Richard Sherman (5th)

The top cornerbacks are usually high draft picks. Sherman is an exception - not the rule.

 

[Jeffrey32]

Really? QB and WR are the only position off the top of my head where the stars are an overwhelming majority 1st rounders.

Also, offensive tackles to protect that 1st round quarterback are usually 1st round picks and the highest or second highest paid on every team.

 

[Jeffrey32]

How many 2nd round "stars" (using that term very loosely) are there in the NBA right now?

Millsap
Parsons
Ginobili
Matthews

Struggling to think of names past that. There are players who are the best at their position in the entire NFL who aren't 1st round picks. You can't say that about any 2nd round pick in the NBA right now.

Boozer: No longer all star, but still a double-digit machine. Would be more highly regarding in Chicago if not for his contract.

 

[silesian]

I don't get it

Had an idea, inspired by the NFL, for restricted free agent rules and further the equity balance between teams. In addition to being able to match and offer an additional season to RFA, if a another team successfully signs a RFA they must surrender a draft pick to the original team. Not sure if it should be a second or a first ( probably protected), but this model would further add balance to small market teams, like the Jazz, and teams wouldn't lose RFAs for nothing or feel obligated to overpay as much. The Pelicans/Hornets wouldn't have felt as obligated to match the Suns offer for Eric Gordon and saddle themselves with his huge deal if the Suns had to surrender a pick to them. If the Celts or suns go after Hayward hard, I wouldnt mind getting a pick from them rather than have to pay Hayward max to keep him.

This cuts both ways against the Jazz and small market teams. Why do you believe it helps small market teams and adds to balance?

 

[Coach Ellis]

For the record, I don't like the idea of forcing teams to give up compensation to sign RFAs. It would likely make teams think twice about matching contracts they don't like if a pick was coming back to them.