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Matthews isn't a second-round pick.

Get back to me when you've tried to do some deep thinking about this.

Here's a start: how many free-agents was Seattle able to sign because of the talent they drafted in the first round (salary re-distribution)?

 

[Coach Ellis]

Outside of running back (which isn't valued in football as much as casual fans think) the other examples you gave had very specific reasons why they were available later. Graham only played one year of college football and had mediocre stats to support being picked at all. It would be the equivalent of an NBA team drafting Terrell Owens in the 2nd round because he was an elite athlete. Richard Sherman is the best example that you gave, but you also didn't include the fact that he completely switched positions late in his college career AND had to recover from a serious knee injury. Those are exactly the kinds of reasons guys like that fall. The bigger roster/draft size and need for more starters is why teams take chances like that.

 

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Wow, this post and you're claiming my simple question is trash. Go home, son, you fail.

First round in the NBA is the first half of the draft. NFL is around the first eighth or so. Add roster size and the vast MAJORITY of NBA players are first round picks. In that case, the first round NBA picks are more valuable.

If you want to add half the NFL draft to coincide with the full first round of the NBA draft, the last half of the NFL would yield a better team than second round NBA picks. In that scenario, first round NBA picks are more valuable.

If you want to drop the NBA first round to the picks that coincide with the NFL, the first 7 picks, then the first seven picks of the NBA draft are more valuable than the first round of the NFL draft.



The top players in the NBA influence their team success more than the top players in the NFL, therefore the picks they're selected at are far more valuable than fit into a coaching philosophy. So much so that players selected a third of the way through the NBA draft are more valuable than the players in, say, the first sixth of the NFL draft. You fit your coaching philosophy to match the players in the NBA. A first round pick in the NBA is more valuable than a first round pick in the NFL.

I disagree. Your metrics are too common-sensical, i.e. they aren't specific enough to either sport to have much traction. Good math though, son! Go home now.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I disagree. Your metrics are too common-sensical, i.e. they aren't specific enough to either sport to have much traction. Good math though, son! Go home now.

Talent far outweighs salary differential in value of first round picks...

 

[Bawse Dawg]

I disagree. Your metrics are too common-sensical, i.e. they aren't specific enough to either sport to have much traction. Good math though, son! Go home now.

You are embarrassing yourself.

 

[oldtimer]

How about compensatory picks instead. Teams that lose RFA can get a first round draft pick between the lottery and the playoff teams. That way teams that sign restricted free agents are not punished but losing the RFA doesn't hurt as bad.

 

[cowhide]

It works in the NFL because draft picks aren't as important and there are more rounds.

And contracts are not guaranteed.

 

[Coach Ellis]

And contracts are not guaranteed.

Great point. Guaranteed contracts and rate of injury play huge factors in the longevity of careers between the two sports.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Every three years, 1/5th of the entire workforce in the NBA is guaranteed to be a 1st round pick on a rookie contract. After guaranteed contracts end, guys who can't cut it are on non-guaranteed contracts, over in Europe or out of the league.

By comparison, every three years, 1/17th of the workforce in the NFL will be working on those same relatively guaranteed rookie contract. Despite Cy's position earlier, most of the star players in the NFL are in fact 1st round picks.

I guess that we're going to have to agree to disagree on the value of first round picks. Here's how I see it. . . Missing on a top 5 pick can be devestating in both leagues. Missing on a top 10 NBA pick is pretty comparable to missing on a later 1st round NFL pick. Missing on a 20ish 1st round NBA pick is pretty comparable to missing on a 2nd round NFL pick. Missing on a late first round NBA pick is comparable to missing on a 3rd/4th round NFL pick. 2nd round NBA picks are very comparable to 5th-7th round NFL picks. D-League and 10-day contract guys are comparable to undrafted NFL free agents.

The roster sizes and talent pool are too wide in differences to really compare the two.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Every three years, 1/5th of the entire workforce in the NBA is guaranteed to be a 1st round pick on a rookie contract. After guaranteed contracts end, guys who can't cut it are on non-guaranteed contracts, over in Europe or out of the league.

By comparison, every three years, 1/17th of the workforce in the NFL will be working on those same relatively guaranteed rookie contract. Despite Cy's position earlier, most of the star players in the NFL are in fact 1st round picks.

I guess that we're going to have to agree to disagree on the value of first round picks. Here's how I see it. . . Missing on a top 5 pick can be devestating in both leagues. Missing on a top 10 NBA pick is pretty comparable to missing on a later 1st round NFL pick. Missing on a 20ish 1st round NBA pick is pretty comparable to missing on a 2nd round NFL pick. Missing on a late first round NBA pick is comparable to missing on a 3rd/4th round NFL pick. 2nd round NBA picks are very comparable to 5th-7th round NFL picks. D-League and 10-day contract guys are comparable to undrafted NFL free agents.

The roster sizes and talent pool are too wide in differences to really compare the two.

Really? QB and WR are the only position off the top of my head where the stars are an overwhelming majority 1st rounders.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Really? QB and WR are the only position off the top of my head where the stars are an overwhelming majority 1st rounders.

You should add LT, CB and defensive line/pass rusher in general. Those are the power positions in the NFL and are represented by top picks in the NFL draft. I will agree that there are outliers, but positional value has to be taken into consideration in a sport that has 22 starting jobs per team and a wide discrepancy of starting positions per team. For example, a starting center has less value than a starting guard which has less value than a starting left tackle. Left tackles are usually the star of the offensive line and typically a first round pick. Doesn't mean that a first round pick won't be used on a guard or center, but they're not the stars of the team.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You should add LT, CB and defensive line/pass rusher in general. Those are the power positions in the NFL and are represented by top picks in the NFL draft. I will agree that there are outliers, but positional value has to be taken into consideration in a sport that has 22 starting jobs per team and a wide discrepancy of starting positions per team. For example, a starting center has less value than a starting guard which has less value than a starting left tackle. Left tackles are usually the star of the offensive line and typically a first round pick. Doesn't mean that a first round pick won't be used on a guard or center, but they're not the stars of the team.

Yeah, defensive end especially is probably another one.

Best CB's aren't 1st roudners though.

Sherman