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You seem passionate but I guess I'm missing how a wheel system does not favor large teams or team with a desirable destination like miami. Once wiggins or parker was draftwd by maimi they could re-sign wade and bosh. You can go over the cap to sign your own players.

Also a wheel system really sucks in down draft years like last year. After 30 years you finally get the first pick and there is nobody worth taking.

The jazz could very easily end up in the lottery for the next few years given their refusal to tank in a strong draft and the strength of thw western conference. In a couple years I think you will see the merits of average approach.

A wheel system doesn't favor large market teams at all. It is completely fair and upfront. It favors SMART teams. Take a look at Brooklyn. They traded away Damion Lilliard, Derrick Favors, Enes Kanter and a piece that was used to get Trey Burke. The wheel system would still screw that team over. Same as New York.

What the wheel system does do, is it allows SMART teams to continue to reload, and small market teams to have access to higher rated players.

Take a look at the Jazz. Once they had Stockton and Malone, they were done. No more high draft picks, no more big FA acquisitions. The Jazz were screwed with no way to get better. They were a WCF team with no real hope to improve. Until they were lucky enough to steal Hornacek from Philly because Philly was too dumb to have him play SG.

Then, look at the Jazz again. They were able to draft Deron and sign Boozer, but then, once again, they were stuck. No way to get better. No way to get that guy to put them over the hump.

A wheel system allows SMART teams to get better. Imagine if Utah could have had Stockton and Malone and had a top 5 pick in the mid-90's. Wow. Think of it this way: A wheel system would allow Utah to do what SA did when they tanked for Duncan, without ever having to tank.

You mentioned that Miami could go over the cap to resign Wade and Bosh and you are correct. BUT, Miami is a small market team, and they do not have the TV deals that LA, CHI, NY, BOS do. They CAN'T go over the cap to keep those two. The tax penalties are too harsh for them. So, once every 29 years, there might be a chance that a team with a Jordan or LeBron would get the #1 pick. Big deal. What if you have LeBron on your team? Or what if you have Stockton or Malone and can add a #1 pick? WOW. Utah would NEVER get that shot.

A perfect example of this is OKC. They are the new Stockton and Malone. They are SCREWED. Especially when Wiggins/Embiid/Parker ends up in LA. Then next year Love ends up in LA. LA can always add talent. OKC can't. They have peaked and they now have NO way to get better. They can't attract a big time FA or afford them. IF they had a wheeled draft, and this fall they had the #5 pick, then there would be a chance they could compete with LA.

Yup, it sucks in a down year, and it would suck to get the #1 pick in that year (look at us and Kanter) but it would happen to everyone and the bad luck part is still there now.

Another FANTASTIC thing about the wheel, is that you know what you are trading for. We traded Deron for Favors (player), Harris (player) and two first round picks. One wasn't protected, ended up being #5 and won the #3 spot in the lottery. The other is protected and we will get this year. It will either be GS's first round pick, or if that picks fall under its protection, it will be two second round picks.

Now, Utah essentially traded Deron for Favors and the two picks. Those two picks could have been anywhere from the #1 pick to two second round picks. That is quite a risk the Jazz took in taking those picks. What happens if Utah traded Deron, NJ made the playoffs and GS was a top 6 pick this year? Then we traded Deron for Favors and crap. Luckily, we have gotten better than that, BUT how much better would it be for a small market team if they knew ahead of time what those picks were?

A lot better. A lot less risk for that small market team. Instead of maybe getting Harrison Barnes a couple years ago, we would know that we are getting the #8 pick. Instead of trading Deron for Favors and a first round pick and maybe two second round picks, we could have traded Deron for a #3 pick and a #8 pick. MUCH BETTER.

The wheel system is 100% fair for ALL teams with incoming players, and would completely help out SMART teams.

Until someone can show me a system that would allow Utah with Stockton and Malone to add Grant Hill, or OKC to add Parker to Durrant and Westbrook, the system isn't as good.

The reason why is because LA, BOS, NY, CHI, Brooklyn can always add superstars if they are smart. It's impossible for a small market team to do so without a wheel system.

If you can get past the initial, unlikely "what-if's" (and Miami getting better isn't a horrible "what-if". They are small market team. We WANT them to succeed.), then a wheel system just makes too much sense. The problem is, people don't want a fair chance to compete, they just want a way to hurt those more successful or in better situations than they are in.

Big markets always have unfair advantages when it comes to access to talent. A wheel system gives small market teams a way to have access to top talent as well.
 
The Wheel System would only work when we have a hard-cap system.


We currently don't - so it's a mute point, imo.
 
The Wheel System would only work when we have a hard-cap system.


We currently don't - so it's a mute point, imo.

We have a pretty dang close to a hard cap system. Miami won't add payroll, OKC traded Harden, LA gutted their roster, etc. It's close enough to make it work.
 
Green liked your post and I repped you for it. That being said I could never support a systemthat potentially rewards teams that are stacked with talent while ignoring teams that need help. I like and want competive balance. Iwould hate it if okc got parker in this draft becauae their number was up.
 
We have a pretty dang close to a hard cap system. Miami won't add payroll, OKC traded Harden, LA gutted their roster, etc. It's close enough to make it work.

Well let's say Miami (or NY, or Brooklyn, or Chicago) gets the 30th pick this Summer, but gets the 1st pick next year...


What's to stop Wiggins to stay 1 more year in college so that he can be picked by the team of his choosing?
 
i like the all same % idea. or maybe extend the lottery to 5 teams instead of 3. finish last and still have a chance to pick 6th?

the tournament idea scares me, think of the bubble teams that win 50 games in the west and miss the playoffs.... they would wreck the 7 east coast teams with 20 wins. then you have a team already capable of winning 50 games get the #1 pick? talk about eliminating parody.

Good point
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Lots of good ideas in this thread.

Just want to say that im fine with anything (including the way it currently is) as long as its not the wheel system that green likes.

There is a reason that when the wheel system was proposed, the big market teams were in favor of it and the small market teams didn't want it.
 
Worst 10 teams should all have the same chance at the #1-#3 picks (i.e., 10% chance each).


The 4 teams that would have "just missed the playoffs" automatically gets the remaining lottery picks.


That would definitely stop the tanking.
 
The only system that will stop tanking is the wheel system.

The average over years will cause longer term suckiness than the wheel system.

The current system promotes tanking.

No lottery, just go where you land promotes tanking.

If you want to get rid of tanking, the wheel system is the ONLY WAY.
 
The only system that will stop tanking is the wheel system.

The average over years will cause longer term suckiness than the wheel system.

The current system promotes tanking.

No lottery, just go where you land promotes tanking.

If you want to get rid of tanking, the wheel system is the ONLY WAY.

The wheel system would get rid of tanking, but i would rather have the tanking.

Someone else proposed that the teams that miss the playoffs all get an equal chance at each pick (just a random drawing like pulling names out of a hat with each team having one peice of paper with thier name on it) and that would also eliminate tanking.

Like someone else said, the biggest (though not the only) problem with the wheel system is that there is the potential for the best team in the league, that already has the best players, to get the number 1 pick.
Nothing would piss me off more than a scenario where a Lakers team with Kobe and shaq get the #1 pick and that pick turns into another superstar on a cheap rookie contract. Would not happen often im sure and maybe would never happen, but the potential is there

I dont think the tanking thing is that big of a deal unless its a super hyped up draft like this year or a team has a protected pick..... so the nba could just keep everything how it is but take away the ability to "protect picks" and then i think you would only see bad tanking in loaded drafts that only come around every ten years
 
Well let's say Miami (or NY, or Brooklyn, or Chicago) gets the 30th pick this Summer, but gets the 1st pick next year...


What's to stop Wiggins to stay 1 more year in college so that he can be picked by the team of his choosing?

That is an excellent argument against the wheel. If your parker and you have a choice of going to the bucks this year or stay in school one more year and enter the draft one year later when the lakers have the number one pick what would you choose? The wheel system would mess with teams like the bucks or the jazz.
 
The only system that will stop tanking is the wheel system.

The average over years will cause longer term suckiness than the wheel system.

The current system promotes tanking.

No lottery, just go where you land promotes tanking.

If you want to get rid of tanking, the wheel system is the ONLY WAY.

I don't think that's true. If all bottom 10 teams get 10% chance at the #1-#3 picks, there would be no need for the likes of the Bucks/Orlando/76ers purposely losing 50-60 games.
 
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