From Mormon Women, a Flood of Requests and Questions on Their Role in the Church | NY Times

[b_line]

The reasons in this article are among the number of reasons I and a lot of my friends are disaffected Mormons. Mormon apologetics and justifications do nothing but drive those who have concerns farther away from being mormon.

As for the question of a bishop talking about a woman's sex life one on one with that woman, or man, or youth, I find it completely inappropriate and unnecessary. Aside from that, with how many bad things are going on out there, do any of us really think Jesus is that concerned with someone fooling around with their significant other or with thensekves ?

 

[Beantown]

I agree with some of the article. Mostly about women being put in awkward positions with leaders.The fight for the Priesthood seems odd to me. As sexist as it sounds the Church wants mothers to be able to spend as much time with their children as possible and the higher callings like Bishop and Stake President are almost like a second job. Also I don't think they realize how important the Primary and Relief Society programs are. Those are strictly run by women and are in charge of teaching children and helping members and the community as a whole. So if they are doing stupid activities well then its the....women that are at fault.

But as one who has daughters I would not feel comfortable them telling a male bishop about their ************ problem when they are teenagers. That is going too far. And if my teenager had a sexual issue that we felt needed help and guidance from our bishop I would want my wife present during the meeting.

 

[Stoked]

I do not see the LDS faith giving women the priesthood. Just don't see it.

However I do think some compromises can, should and will be made. For examples:

-Allowing a mother to hold a child during a blessing

-Opening and closing prayers at conferences

-Increased speaking roles, including speaking roles at priesthood meetings

-A female counselor to the local bishops

-Increasing the emphasis put on young women programs, perhaps link them to girl scouts the way young men programs are

 

[Beantown]

I do not see the LDS faith giving women the priesthood. Just don't see it.

However I do think some compromises can, should and will be made. For examples:

-Allowing a mother to hold a child during a blessing

-Opening and closing prayers at conferences

-Increased speaking roles, including speaking roles at priesthood meetings

-A female counselor to the local bishops

-Increasing the emphasis put on young women programs, perhaps link them to girl scouts the way young men programs are

The church had looked into the Girl Scouts but its very different from Boy Scouts. Girl Scout is a crock of ********. Its just a pyramid scheme to sell cookies. This is why the church created its own Young Women's program where than can have goals and achievements.

Eventually I could see the church getting rid of Boy Scouts and creating their own Young mens program as well.

 

[Stoked]

The church had looked into the Girl Scouts but its very different from Boy Scouts. Girl Scout is a crock of ********. Its just a pyramid scheme to sell cookies. This is why the church created its own Young Women's program where than can have goals and achievements.

Fair enough. But do you disagree that there is a higher emphasis put on young mens programs? Also if that is the case will the LDS church pull back from the boy scouts now that it is more in tune with homo members and ideas?

Also what do you think of my other ideas? Here are some more.

- Allow young women to collect fast offering

- Help prepare the sacrament before the meeting starts (lay out the tablecloth and trays...)

- Mother/daughter camping trips

 

[mellow]

But do you disagree that there is a higher emphasis put on young mens programs?

In a word yes. YW camps the church owns are nicer than anything I ever stayed in for scouts, YW given same or more budget dollars in every Ward I've been a part of. Yw given same access to church facilities for activities, YW has more church produced curriculum, manuals, programs than the ym do.

 

[Stoked]

In a word yes. YW camps the church owns are nicer than anything I ever stayed in for scouts, YW given same or more budget dollars in every Ward I've been a part of. Yw given same access to church facilities for activities, YW has more church produced curriculum, manuals, programs than the ym do.

YM have more activities, meeting and responsibilities than YW from my experiences. But isnt that the point of this thread? More repsonsibility for women?

Anyone care to chime in on my 10 or so ideas? Other than YM v. YW?

 

[Jazz Spazz]

When Jesus spoke with the prostitute and said go and sin no more... I wonder if he asked all women present to leave before speaking to her?

Btw.. religions have nuances.. known as indviduals. I never hold an entire religion accountable because of individual's rites and/or interpretations. Religions would do well to not act so holy so those on the outside didn't have to call BS.

Pretty much anything the Savior said to anyone else in private we don't have. Most of what we have is what Christ did or said publicly. This is just off the top of my head of what I can remember. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Also, in regards to "being a member of the Church is a privilege that you have to qualify for" being offensive to you.

Are you saying the Apostles of the Lord should not have given instruction to people because they were sinners, and that we should all just mind our own business and not try to help each other so as to allow each person to find their own way unhindered.

I always thought we were here to help each other and share our burdens. If the Lord saw fit to call apostles to lead his people even though they were sinners, and trusted them to lead and correct his people, I don't see why there cannot be others besides those apostles that can be entrusted with something similar.

 

[Hantlers]

I think for me personally, the reason I like elders, deacons, whatever you call it, of the Church to be vetted in by somebody is because of the immense responsibility. Not as much because of their responsibility, but the responsibility that God puts on Church leaders. People that preach/teach incorrectly, or falsely will be judged by a different standard. To just put a random person in charge of people shows that you don't take that responsibility very seriously, IMO.

We should of course try to help everybody that we can, as that is our call. We are called to make disciples of all men…that does not mean to just make believers, but to teach them accordingly so that they can teach. So I would say that you should have to "qualify" to be an elder or deacon, but not a member of the church. Hopefully that makes sense.

As far as the women and priesthood ordeal, I feel like the Bible makes it pretty clear what their role in the church should be. Follow the Bible and most things will take care of themselves.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Pretty much anything the Savior said to anyone else in private we don't have. Most of what we have is what Christ did or said publicly. This is just off the top of my head of what I can remember. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Also, in regards to "being a member of the Church is a privilege that you have to qualify for" being offensive to you.

Are you saying the Apostles of the Lord should not have given instruction to people because they were sinners, and that we should all just mind our own business and not try to help each other so as to allow each person to find their own way unhindered.

I always thought we were here to help each other and share our burdens. If the Lord saw fit to call apostles to lead his people even though they were sinners, and trusted them to lead and correct his people, I don't see why there cannot be others besides those apostles that can be entrusted with something similar.

Will respond thoroughly when time permits.

 

[VINYLONE]

As far as the women and priesthood ordeal, I feel like the Bible makes it pretty clear what their role in the church should be. Follow the Bible and most things will take care of themselves.

Got damn, that's some **** right there. I don't know anything about the Mormon religion, well, not anything, I know some stuff, but it's all surface knowledge, but that post is incredible to me.

 

[GVC]

Got damn, that's some **** right there. I don't know anything about the Mormon religion, well, not anything, I know some stuff, but it's all surface knowledge, but that post is incredible to me.

Hantlers isn't Mormon.