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I wouldn't compare the two. Their styles are different. Stauskas is a shooter with a bit of dribble and passing. Langdon is a better athlete and slasher type.
Hantlers
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I don't think anybody has said he doesn't belong in the league. Care to point out where people have insinuated that he doesn't?
Randle is a better Patrick Patterson, a more athletic Tyler Hansbrough. If you want to go further back, a leaner and more athletic Mike Sweetney. Guys who rely more on brute strength than athleticism don't always tend to do well in the NBA. I think Randle will be a fine player, I'm just not as high on him as others.
EDIT: I forgot about your Gordon part.
Gordon most definitely has a role from day 1. Defense and hustle. Randle essentially doesn't play defense, lets not forget that. Gordon is a great defender, incredibly athletic, and he works his *** off on the court. He most certainly has his offensive limitations, and it would be foolish to write them off, but his offensive weaknesses are fairly similar to Randle's defensive weaknesses.
Hantlers
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We're gonna have to disagree.
Langdon was a pure shooter, decently athletic, and not much of a slasher. Over half of his shots were from deep. Stauskas is aggressive, he can shoot, rebound, dribble and pass. I'm a huge Stauskas fan. He's a legit NBA player, and he has good size, which Langdon did not.
Side note: one of the weirdest songs I've ever heard in a "highlight" video. I hate Duke fans sometimes.
The Thriller
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Not even close. Randle doesn't play defense? LOL. Ask Louisville or Michigan about Randle's defense.
Again, Gordon homers are grasping at straws CY.
I also love how many of the biggest Hayward homers are now commenting in this thread about the need to draft a SF. Funny, because I remember when I caught hell for blasting that pick. We would have been better off had we drafted who I said we should draft, Paul George.
I'm concerned that Randle isn't going to be good enough to run the offense through as a solid #1 option, and his shooting and passing skills aren't diverse enough (yet) to play out on the floor. I could be wrong, and I like Randle's physical tools, but there's a risk here that he runs into some of the same issues that Thomas Robinson has, despite the fact that he has a better handle better spin moves.
I still think Randle is in the Top 5 in the draft overall, but I have Wiggins, Embiid, Parker and Exum ahead of him because I think they're more likely to create a mismatch offensively, and that's what the Jazz really need.
I still think Randle is in the Top 5 in the draft overall, but I have Wiggins, Embiid, Parker and Exum ahead of him because I think they're more likely to create a mismatch offensively, and that's what the Jazz really need.
Cool. I don't know Langdon that well. He didn't last in the league very long.
Hantlers
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You're right…Randle really shut down Louisville. His guy only shot 77%! Pretty damn good.
But I'd love for you to tell me more about how this guy, who despite being athletic and a good post player, averages only 0.8 blocks and 0.5 steals per game. I realize that blocks and steals should never be the only measure of a players defense, but come on…that's straight up pathetic.
The Thriller
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Oh no. Not at all. I wouldn't be disappointed in a Gordon pick. He has a ton of potential. But the last few days the Gordon homers, like CY/Hantlers, have made it sound like he's lebron. Every time Randle's name is mentioned they bring up Randle's lack of a jumper while ignoring Gordon's zero offensive game and just awful FT shooting.
Hantlers
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Yeah, good college player, crappy NBA player. Sucked at defense too. But he could shoot 3's quite well.
The Thriller
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His guy?
Because there's no such thing as switching, zone defense, or team defense in college basketball?
What about Gordon's "guy?" What percentage did he make last game? Since, obviously you've been tracking man to man defense his tournament apparently.
Hantlers
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I'm a Gordon homer? I ignore Gordon's lack of offensive game. I just mentioned his crappy offensive game 15 minutes ago you moron. Good grief.
Hantlers
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You're right, he didn't defend him the entire time. You got me!
Randle sure is a great defender. It's just too bad you don't have any proof of it.
Hantlers
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Oh, and the reason I didn't include Michigan is because they play more of a 4 wing, 1 post game…which means that Randle didn't get to defend a post player for the majority of the game, whereas against Louisville he did. I'm sure you could have figured that out on your own though.
The Thriller
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The funny thing is that you think I'm just talking to and about you.
What part of Gordon homers (plural) don't you understand?
framer
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Can anyone point to a guy that became a better defender in the pros than he was in college? I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I cannot think of it. I do know players that developed quite a bit on offense, however. I guess that is my biggest bias when it comes to Gordon v. Randle. I have always coveted a lock down guy that we can throw against somebody running roughshod on us offensively. I have seen enough of Gordon play live to know that he is coachable and has a high bb IQ. Worst case I think you get a top 5 wing defender with the ability to score moving to the basket, best case is probably a level-headed, prime Kirilenko who plays better man-on-man defense. That's quite a player. I just think the mean for Randle is Kanter who we already have. Best case is possibly Zach Randolph? I'm not sure Kanter can't be that player either. I think the odds are that Randle will be better than Kanter, but will he be superior enough to give up Gordon for?
Again, I'm just happy that we get to talk about CHOOSING Randle or Gordon rather than hope someone becomes damaged goods and falls to us like which is generally where we are.
Again, I'm just happy that we get to talk about CHOOSING Randle or Gordon rather than hope someone becomes damaged goods and falls to us like which is generally where we are.
Hantlers
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You specifically mentioned me, so that's what I'm talking about. That's typically what happens when you mention a person.
Could you detail what makes you think I'm a Gordon homer? Or are you just going to ignore that like everything else when you get proven wrong?