That's a good point. But I still think Kanter is way too slow with his reactions which is mainly because he doesn't understand the rotations. We'll see next year what his fate is.
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That's a good point. But I still think Kanter is way too slow with his reactions which is mainly because he doesn't understand the rotations. We'll see next year what his fate is.
spycam1
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i do think its relevant, the individual DRtg... its warming me up to the idea of trading assets up for Jabari if we dont get lucky with the lottery
as much as has been made about Parkers deficiencies defensively, how much of a downgrade would he really be from either Jefferson at SF or Marvin at PF really.. at least he has the potential to get better
Did Durant just blow by Parker?
It's not everything for sure, but historically I can't think of many below average defensive players who put those numbers up.
Game6Conley
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where did i say anything about value for championship purposes??? lol
and wow did you debunk DRtg... lol
your durant example shows that statistics meant for the course of a season, can be skewed to look ridiculous if you have 1 really good game and just use that as the sample size?? that example holds no weight over the course of season
you obviously have no idea how individual DRtg works, read up.
The core of the Defensive Rating calculation is the concept of the individual Defensive Stop. Stops take into account the instances of a player ending an opposing possession that are tracked in the boxscore (blocks, steals, and defensive rebounds), in addition to an estimate for the number of forced turnovers and forced misses by the player which aren't captured by steals and blocks.
The formula for Stops is:
Stops = Stops1 + Stops2
where:
Stops1 = STL + BLK * FMwt * (1 - 1.07 * DOR%) + DRB * (1 - FMwt)
FMwt = (DFG% * (1 - DOR%)) / (DFG% * (1 - DOR%) + (1 - DFG%) * DOR%)
DOR% = Opponent_ORB / (Opponent_ORB + Team_DRB)
DFG% = Opponent_FGM / Opponent_FGA
Stops2 = (((Opponent_FGA - Opponent_FGM - Team_BLK) / Team_MP) * FMwt * (1 - 1.07 * DOR%) + ((Opponent_TOV - Team_STL) / Team_MP)) * MP + (PF / Team_PF) * 0.4 * Opponent_FTA * (1 - (Opponent_FTM / Opponent_FTA))^2
Also necessary is the calculation of Stop%, which is the rate at which a player forces a defensive stop as a percentage of individual possessions faced (essentially the inverse of Floor%, but for defenders):
Stop% = (Stops * Opponent_MP) / (Team_Possessions * MP)
With those numbers in hand, individual Defensive Rating can be computed:
DRtg = Team_Defensive_Rating + 0.2 * (100 * D_Pts_per_ScPoss * (1 - Stop%) - Team_Defensive_Rating)
where:
Team_Defensive_Rating = 100 * (Opponent_PTS / Team_Possessions)
D_Pts_per_ScPoss = Opponent_PTS / (Opponent_FGM + (1 - (1 - (Opponent_FTM / Opponent_FTA))^2) * Opponent_FTA*0.4)
Game6Conley
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im not sure but this was from the 2012 Kevin Durant skills academy where apparently Jabari held his own 1 on 1 vs Durant
Durant has said Jabari's 'the real deal' and that he and Wiggins are 1a and 1b
Read the edit I formulated 15 min before you posted yours:
Individual DRtg = Trash. It's largely based on team success and rewards gamblers.
And you not properly reading my example for Durant shows again: If you're a player who doesn't get a single stop but completely shuts down an opponent individual DRtg doesn't show that.
That alone is why it's trash. Rewards guys who are pure stat sheet stuffer and gamblers.
Defense is a thing of understanding the game and having superior tools and actually using them.
Right now you measure it with your eye and obtain assistance with useful stats like the SportsVU rim protection stats I posted yesterday.
Team defensive rating shows how good a team/lineup functions as a whole and how good of a job the coach does. Nuttin else.
Game6Conley
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and btp i dont accept your apology, go **** yourself
just realized i had to explain to your dumb *** this same exact thing last year
just realized i had to explain to your dumb *** this same exact thing last year
Game6Conley
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haha. You didn't even read what I criticize. WTF. You're like super delusional. Just understand the parts that define individual DRtg. Doesn't hold up unless it confirms what you see with your eye.
Good stuff guys...
BTP's scenario makes sense to me. It's a team sport. So it's not actually possible to track correctly how a player does individually on the court - that's why you'll need scouts attending games or study film. Can't just rely on stats.
BTP's scenario makes sense to me. It's a team sport. So it's not actually possible to track correctly how a player does individually on the court - that's why you'll need scouts attending games or study film. Can't just rely on stats.
^^^
As an add on, I've always wanted to measure the level of "Hunger" a player has, and rate it on a scale. I guess it's just one of those things you could only quantify by watching games after games after games, and really getting to know the player personally.
#Hungry
As an add on, I've always wanted to measure the level of "Hunger" a player has, and rate it on a scale. I guess it's just one of those things you could only quantify by watching games after games after games, and really getting to know the player personally.
#Hungry
