What type of asset is Hayward?

[akirac73]

I would explain it as the more of the scoring burden he takes on, the less efficient he gets. Locke's analysis emphasizes that his efficiency has really dropped this year (and you imply also that as he shoots more, he gets less efficient), so if there is indeed an inverse relationship, doesn't it follow that if you reduce his role/burden, his efficiency will also improve?

If you look at Hayward's career numbers his minutes played and field goal attempts have a direct correlation, both have increased each season. Based on this observation (and knowing that it's an inverse relationship to his FG%), is it fair to say that if we reduce Haywards minutes his FG% should improve? I would think so.

My next question: Is player that needs his minutes limited/controlled in order to be an better player worth a $10M-$12M+ per year contract? Just throwing that out there...

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

If you look at Hayward's career numbers his minutes played and field goal attempts have a direct correlation, both have increased each season. Based on this observation (and knowing that it's an inverse relationship to his FG%), is it fair to say that if we reduce Haywards minutes his FG% should improve? I would think so.

My next question: Is player that needs his minutes limited/controlled in order to be an better player worth a $10M-$12M+ per year contract? Just throwing that out there...

If he can be reasonably efficient and give us 16-5-5, then yes in approx $10m range, not in $12 m range, which I don't think he'll get in any case.

 

[cowhide]

I believe a player like Gordon is worth about $7 million and I would go as high as 8.5 million but he was asking over 12 million. He wanted a better deal than Favors because he believed he was a number 1 option. Well he didn't show it so now I go to the table and tell him that we think you can be a big part of this team as a 2nd or 3rd option and we want to pay you as a 2nd or 3rd option. I am sure that Gordon is going to test the market that is why he became a free agent. At this point unless he says no way am I a 2nd or 3rd option and I want to be paid as a number 1 guy, then you say bring us an offer and we will let you know if we will match it. If the offer is ridiculous then we say either try to make a trade or let him go.

 

[green]

I'm really starting to become a big cowhide fan.

 

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I'm really starting to become a big cowhide fan.

you realize that many people have been saying almost the exact same thing since last November, right? Or were you too busy taking copious rolls in the snow to read those posts?

 

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I believe a player like Gordon is worth about $7 million and I would go as high as 8.5 million but he was asking over 12 million. He wanted a better deal than Favors because he believed he was a number 1 option. Well he didn't show it so now I go to the table and tell him that we think you can be a big part of this team as a 2nd or 3rd option and we want to pay you as a 2nd or 3rd option. I am sure that Gordon is going to test the market that is why he became a free agent. At this point unless he says no way am I a 2nd or 3rd option and I want to be paid as a number 1 guy, then you say bring us an offer and we will let you know if we will match it. If the offer is ridiculous then we say either try to make a trade or let him go.

even with all my frustrations this year, I'd still go to $10M/yr for Gordon.

 

[ijazz]

even with all my frustrations this year, I'd still go to $10M/yr for Gordon.

I agree. He IS worth $10 MM.

Someone will offer $12MM. Real curious if that happens if we match

 

[JoelHodgeJr]

First of all, the exact same was said in 04. I was on this board when folks admitted that AK47 wasn't that great but said that there just wasn't anybody as good/as young. That was a huge mistake.

Where did Wes Matthews come from? Where did Paul Millsap come from? Where did Paul George come from?

There are plenty of good SF/SGs to be had. We could draft in the mid first round and find a player better than Hayward. The boy from Michigan and the Young from UK for starters. I think Early could be in that discussion as well.

The point is, Hayward is extremely replaceable. SVG's comments were a great barometer for Hayward's value no matter what the Hayward homers on this board think. Of course, there will always be some retarded franchise out there willing to shell out too much money for his services. I just hope that franchise isn't us.

Finally, draft picks are gold. You can't just trade Hayward away for a 1st rounder. And, Hayward's game no longer fits this team. We have 2 low post bigs. We need to surround them with shooters. If we want to keep Hayward then we need to unload either Favors or kanter. That's the truth. Burks you keep, he is the 1 player on this team who can create, score, and get to the line. Sorry Hayward homers, your boy doesn't do that

Cry me a river, bash me, flame me, just as you did 10 years ago ago. I've seen more Bball that you've dreamed and know a thing or two about this sport.

The problem with your argument is that even though AK was overpaid he didn't hurt us. After his massive contract we were still able to sign Boozer and Okur creating our best team since the StockMalone days.

AK was our best wing and interior defender and our second best playmaker. Sure he didn't work out like we hoped, but that's life. All in all AK helped our team not hurt it.

Also you shouldn't compare AK to Hayward they are completely different players.

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[green]

AK did hurt us. Big time. Imagine if we had DWill, Boozer, Memo and Bell and another Bell level player instead of AK. Maybe two more. We win the title at least once.

 

[Ellipse]

I would explain it as the more of the scoring burden he takes on, the less efficient he gets. Locke's analysis emphasizes that his efficiency has really dropped this year (and you imply also that as he shoots more, he gets less efficient), so if there is indeed an inverse relationship, doesn't it follow that if you reduce his role/burden, his efficiency will also improve?

And THIS is justification for paying him 8 figures?????? I sure wish that would work for me:

"Hey boss, I've been so overworked that I missed 3 deadlines and totally screwed up a report. But what the hell, double my salary and hire me an assistant and I promise I will give you your money's worth next year."

 

[billyshelby]

As to the OP, Hayward IS a major trade asset. He's worth a lot to any team that wants the right to match a contract as an RFA, presumably a team with the cap space or resources to scare away bidders.

As to what Hayward is worth, he's not as good as Leonard for example. And any contracts signed under the old CBA like Batum shouldn't be relevant either. 10 should be the absolute max for him.

Whatever Lindsey does with this situation will say everything about his worth as a GM.

 

[GVC]

As to the OP, Hayward IS a major trade asset. He's worth a lot to any team that wants the right to match a contract as an RFA, presumably a team with the cap space or resources to scare away bidders.

He can't be traded.