2014-15 outlook on Alec Burks: Starter or 6th man?

[seattlejazzfan]

When will the madness end? PPS is garbage. Complete ****ing garbage.

Help me understand why you think it's garbage. I've always liked it as a stat that gives credit to guys who shoot a good FG%, 3pt FG% and get to the FT line.
The top non-centers in the league in PPS are, in order: LeBron James, Kevin Durant, James Harden, Blake Griffin and Kevin Love. One could argue those are the best 5 players in the NBA. PPS does a pretty damn good job in identifying those players.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

He will blow the **** up next season. He's our James Harden. *Shlong slap UGLI's forehead*

Wap!

 

[franklin]

When will the madness end? PPS is garbage. Complete ****ing garbage.

I think it's the most accurate metric there is if you filter for ppg and take out three point specialists. Even using it for three point specialists, it shows just how freaking dangerous Kyle Korver is.

It also shows how highly overrated Melo is and why he can't lead squat to a ****.

 

[bigmike]

I'm high on Burks. In a perfect world, though, I see him coming off the bench next season and (hopefully) beyond. Perfect world being the following:

1. We end up with Wiggins or Parker
2. Kanter solidifies himself as (at least) a solid starter. I think we'll see a better Kanter next season that is fully healthy and in great shape.
3. The Core 5 stays relatively healthy.

Burke
Hayward
Jabari
Kanter
Favors

Burks
Gobert
Neto
GS pick
Vet
Vet
Vet

Just give that top 8/9 time to jell and look out world. Burks could be our instant offense off the bench. A la Ginobili or Jamal Crawford.

 

[GVC]

I think it's the most accurate metric there is if you filter for ppg and take out three point specialists. Even using it for three point specialists, it shows just how freaking dangerous Kyle Korver is.

It also shows how highly overrated Melo is and why he can't lead squat to a ****.

You've got to be ****ing kidding me. It counts shooting fouls drawn as 0 possessions used. As such, it overvalues players who draw fouls. TS% is better; points-per-possession better still. If you think TS% undervalues shooting fouls, you can adjust the multiplier on free throws in the denominator (in TS%, 2 free throw attempts are the equivalent of .88 field goal attempts...in PPS, 2 free throw attempts are the equivalent of 0 field goal attempts).

 

[GVC]

2 questions

1. Is field goal percentage garbage?
2. is it generally better to be in the top 10 in PPS or the bottom 10?


I wonder if lebron, durant, curry, harden, melo, etc have high or low PPS.

1. Irrelevant.

2. Irrelevant.

 

[franklin]

You've got to be ****ing kidding me. It counts shooting fouls drawn as 0 possessions used. As such, it overvalues players who draw fouls. TS% is better; points-per-possession better still. If you think TS% undervalues shooting fouls, you can adjust the multiplier on free throws in the denominator (in TS%, 2 free throw attempts are the equivalent of .88 field goal attempts...in PPS, 2 free throw attempts are the equivalent of 0 field goal attempts).

Sorry, I was being a moran and actually thinking of TS% for some reason (if you apply what I said to TS% it should actually make some sense). I learned long ago that questioning you on this stuff generally makes me look like a moran.

 

[fishonjazz]

1. Irrelevant.

2. Irrelevant.

1. Irrelevant.

2. Irrelevant.

Lol

 

[Sexual Favors]

Start him regardless of who we draft. If we get an SF who is better than Hayward, let Hayward and Burks duke out for the starting gig at sg midseason. Start the C5 pre all star break regardless of who we draft, simply becuse they earned it, and it will also make the new rookie more competitive. If our rookies are better come all star break, let them start.

 

[GVC]

Sorry, I was being a moran and actually thinking of TS% for some reason (if you apply what I said to TS% it should actually make some sense). I learned long ago that questioning you on this stuff generally makes me look like a moran.

Last time this came up, I gave an example. Here's another:

Player 1: 4-5 from 2; 8 points, 5 field goal attempts, 5 possessions, 0 shooting fouls drawn; 1.6 PPP, 1.6 PPS

Player 2: 2-6 from 2, 6-10 from line: 10 points, 6 field goal attempts, 11 possessions, 5 shooting fouls drawn; .9 PPP, 1.7 PPS

The question: Are those 5 shooting fouls worth 7.6 points in addition to the made free throws?
The answer: No ****ing way.

 

[fishonjazz]

Last time this came up, I gave an example. Here's another:

Player 1: 4-5 from 2; 8 points, 5 field goal attempts, 5 possessions, 0 shooting fouls drawn; 1.6 PPP, 1.6 PPS

Player 2: 2-6 from 2, 6-10 from line: 10 points, 6 field goal attempts, 11 possessions, 5 shooting fouls drawn; .9 PPP, 1.7 PPS

The question: Are those 5 shooting fouls worth 7.6 points in addition to the made free throws?
The answer: No ****ing way.

I consider that cherry picking.

Set up a perfect scenario to prove your point but isnt it true that the best players have high pps?

Why do best players have high pps?

 

[GVC]

I consider that cherry picking.

Set up a perfect scenario to prove your point but isnt it true that the best players have high pps?

Why do best players have high pps?

We've been over this before. Those questions are irrelevant. I've given the reasons why PPS is worse than many other available stats. Good shooters/scorers will score well in most of these shooting stats.