25% left of obamas 8 year EVIL reign!!!!!

[Hantlers]

So why do GOPers hate Obama so much if he is just like Bush? Obama has been criticize from the left for being like Bush for defending the NSA spying and extending the parts of the Patriot Act so if you are aware it has happened. Please again I would like to see the right's criticism of the War in Iraq, Patriot Act, NSA spying done under Bush etc. Now you have GOPers defending the rights of terrorists simply because they are "americans". I didn't hear any GOP criticism of Cheney when he said it was on the table to shoot down one of the airlines during 9/11.

The right rationalized away all these things when BUsh was enacting them. Remember torture? I am not against criticizing President Obama but again when you looked the other way when your guy was doing the same or worse things then you become a hypocrite.

I didn't like Bush much either…but that's just me. I think you'll find plenty of conservatives who disagreed with a lot of what Bush did. Too often we have people who defend their choice of President because of what party they belong to…it sounds like you're starting to do exactly that.

Of course, I run more to the middle on social issues, but I'm pretty dang conservative when it comes to the economic side of things. Based on that, I think it's fairly easy to see why I wasn't a huge fan of Bush as a president (I think he's a cool guy in person), and why I'm not a big fan of Obama as a president.

 

[Hantlers]

Oh, and fwiw, I agreed with them keeping gitmo open. I think the idea of closing it was a poor idea, at best.

 

[DutchJazzer]

https://www.salon.com/2012/04/20/obamas_dismal_civil_liberties_record/

It does start with killing four Americans, but quickly moves on to other things.

read a similar list.
funny how it starts with the impeachable offense which is in my book worse.
you would think it would end with that

 

[DutchJazzer]

https://www.salon.com/2012/04/20/obamas_dismal_civil_liberties_record/

It does start with killing four Americans, but quickly moves on to other things.

also killing is justified.
this is murder or executions.
totally different thing

 

[Harambe]

also killing is justified.
this is murder or executions.
totally different thing

Dude, I'm still waiting for you to be on the CIA Authorized kill list.

 

[Harambe]

Also,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeted_killing#Legality

Author and former U.S. Army Captain Matthew J. Morgan has argued that "there is a major difference between assassination and targeted killing.... targeted killing [is] not synonymous with assassination. Assassination ... constitutes an illegal killing." Amos Guiora, formerly an Israeli Defense Forces Lt. Colonol and commander of the IDF school of military law, now Professor of law at the University of Utah, has written that "targeted killing is ... not an assassination". Steve David, Johns Hopkins Associate Dean & Professor of International Relations, writes: "there are strong reasons to believe that the Israeli policy of targeted killing is not the same as assassination". Syracuse Law Professor William Banks and GW Law Professor Peter Raven-Hansen write: "Targeted killing of terrorists is ... not unlawful and would not constitute assassination". Rory Miller writes: "Targeted killing ... is not 'assassination'", and Associate Professor Eric Patterson and Teresa Casale write: "Perhaps most important is the legal distinction between targeted killing and assassination"

 

[DutchJazzer]

Dude, I'm still waiting for you to be on the CIA Authorized kill list.

why? cus i stand for freedom?

 

[Harambe]

why? cus i stand for freedom?

No... because you stand for freedum.

 

[One Brow]

Not even JFK, no one denied he was a Catholic.

JFK's Catholicism was a campaign issue, as was Al Smith's.

 

[One Brow]

As for foreign policy:

Remove the troops from afghan and Iraq immediately. He didn't.

Close gitmo, he didn't

Stop giving the appearance of apologies and subservience to other heads of state. Such as bowing to the Japanese PM. I disliked the image it sent.

I disagree on these points. An immediate withdrawal would have been irresponsible. Closing gitmo would have been even more executive overreach. The appearance of the United States as one nation among many is good for our foreign relations, and Presidents have long engaged in similar bows.

Funding of the Ukraine uprising that dethroned that old president.

Supplying weapons to terrorist groups in other states such as Libya and Syria

I agree these are mistakes.

Poland, I have not heard enough to form an opinion.

 

[One Brow]

also killing is justified.
this is murder or executions.
totally different thing

"Killing" is neutral. "Murder" or "assassination" implies illegality. "Execution" implies legality.

 

[Stoked]

I disagree on these points. An immediate withdrawal would have been irresponsible. Closing gitmo would have been even more executive overreach. The appearance of the United States as one nation among many is good for our foreign relations, and Presidents have long engaged in similar bows.

Afghan funded and housed terrorists, the American people should be under no obligations to build them back up. Iraq was a mistake from day 1 but I can see an argument for staying to build them up as we should not have torn them down. I do think we stayed to long though.

I am fine with the whole 1 nation amoung many, but as equals. Our President should bow to no one. Same for the President/King/PM from "insert name of country". I dislike that image.

I don't see how our Commander In Chief closing an offshore military prison for terrorists is executive over reach. Please explain.