West Antarctic Ice Sheet Is Doomed

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They appear to be claiming causes that are not anthropogenic.

Yes, a few thousand years ago, we had warming cycles that were not the result of human industry. What does that tell us about whether human industry is causing warming today?

 

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This made me smile.

I'm sure you will think it is just noise.

 

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Yes, a few thousand years ago, we had warming cycles that were not the result of human industry. What does that tell us about whether human industry is causing warming today?

That it may not be the only thing causing it.

 

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That it may not be the only thing causing it.

Of course it's not the only thing causing it. Now, what does that mean in terms of confronting the human contributions to global warming? Please keep in mind that the pace of the warming is unprecedented in the earths history, at least since life first appeared.

As a poor analogy, I heard murder is not the only cause of human death. Offer an argument about the former that doesn't have an unacceptable parallel in the latter.

 

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I'm sure you will think it is just noise.

No, I think there is merit there. Works both ways is all.

 

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Of course it's not the only thing causing it. Now, what does that mean in terms of confronting the human contributions to global warming? Please keep in mind that the pace of the warming is unprecedented in the earths history, at least since life first appeared.

As a poor analogy, I heard murder is not the only cause of human death. Offer an argument about the former that doesn't have an unacceptable parallel in the latter.

Slow down Brow, slow down.

You asked what it says, rhetorically I am sure, and I answered.

Never said what side of the fence I am on. For all you know you are arguing withsome one ont he same side of the fence to no point.

 

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Question: If America went all-in and killed every single industry that contributed to our country's CO2 output, would that be enough to reverse global warming? Would America completely bowing out reverse everything and cause the temperature to drop? If not what would it really take to make an impact on the global CO2 concentrations?

 

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Question: If America went all-in and killed every single industry that contributed to our country's CO2 output, would that be enough to reverse global warming? Would America completely bowing out reverse everything and cause the temperature to drop? If not what would it really take to make an impact on the global CO2 concentrations?

No, it would not be enough to "reverse global warming", or even the possible/likely anthropogenic portion of it, which I believe it not the major cause of it.

It would be better use of our time, energy, resources, and intelligence to do things on large scale that will help us to cope with it if not prosper with it. But hey, our leading "intellectuals", or as Franklin would put it, our "elite intelligentsia", are paid through the political influence if not the outright private money of our cartelists, and all they really care about is locking up the resources and shutting down the influences of all possible competitors. As Robert Redford with his little Sundance Ski Resort shows by his example, after having his little heaven, by opposing every other proposed development of Utah snow resources. . . .

Somehow, I hope folks like OB will eventually realize their caring is being diverted from actually beneficial action. . . . .

 

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No, it would not be enough to "reverse global warming", or even the possible/likely anthropogenic portion of it, which I believe it not the major cause of it.

It would be better use of our time, energy, resources, and intelligence to do things on large scale that will help us to cope with it if not prosper with it. But hey, our leading "intellectuals", or as Franklin would put it, our "elite intelligentsia", are paid through the political influence if not the outright private money of our cartelists, and all they really care about is locking up the resources and shutting down the influences of all possible competitors. As Robert Redford with his little Sundance Ski Resort shows by his example, after having his little heaven, by opposing every other proposed development of Utah snow resources. . . .

Somehow, I hope folks like OB will eventually realize their caring is being diverted from actually beneficial action. . . . .

I like this post

 

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A further length of the discussion would involve the larger picture. . . .

how our present "meltdown" is an anomaly in the larger trend towards longer and deeper ice epochs caused by an inbalanced decline in atmospheric carbon dioxide, which will mean that after we've burned up all our locatable/extractable oil, we'll face ice ages having to dig deeper holes/caves and move south permanently.. .. concentrating humanity on lower lattitudes. We also may face more persistent droughts due to the increasing salinity of oceans as the land is leached of salt deposits and fresh water is locked up in polar ice. . .

But hey, one day our sun will do its Red Giant expansion and melt the earth again. The problem then will be how do we get to another planet, or another, younger, star.

 

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The problem then will be how do we get to another planet, or another, younger, star.

I bet its via flight of some sort

 

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Question: If America went all-in and killed every single industry that contributed to our country's CO2 output,

Why does converting to carbon-neutrality kill not just a company, but an entire industry?

would that be enough to reverse global warming? Would America completely bowing out reverse everything and cause the temperature to drop? If not what would it really take to make an impact on the global CO2 concentrations?

If we went all-in, I think we could produce energy from solar and wind (available on the surface of the earth) more cheaply than you can from digging stuff out of the ground, and then sell that to other countries.

Yes, over time, the CO2 would cycle back into the soil.