Helen Waite? That's who I tell Ute fans I'm forwarding their call to before I put them on hold and never pick up that line again. Had no idea she was an actual Coug fan.
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Helen Waite? That's who I tell Ute fans I'm forwarding their call to before I put them on hold and never pick up that line again. Had no idea she was an actual Coug fan.
Hellen Thriller, noodle head.
I must have blocked out that Thriller is a BYU fan... really???
Don't we miss Conan and Salty? Those were the days.
jimmy eat jazz
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Why? Despite propaganda emanating from Provo and LDS HQ, Mormons ARE in fact human and prone to the same temptations, foibles, vices, character flaws, etc. as all other humans.
Would you be equally surprised to learn that Mormons also (in large numbers) **********, watch porn, have affairs, cheat on income taxes, physically or emotionally abuse their spouses, treat their children with indifference, bully, lie, covet, are bigots and homophobes, etc. etc. Mormons are far from having any corner on virtue; the world is full on non-Mormons who have integrity, are kind, generous and honest and it also has a fair share of Mormons who are the exact opposite.
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Great point, especially since Mormonism has been brought up so much in this thread.
Glad you got all of that stupidity off your chest?
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jimmy eat jazz
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Gee, here I was thinking I was responding to a specific statement in a specific post, when all along (unbeknownst to me) I was responding to the collective posts in the thread.
Try reading for context next time before hitting send.
True. I totally missed the part where Hellen went off on non-Mo's, talked about how much better he was because of his religion, etc. thank you for pointing it out; I feel really stupid right now.
Just so nobody else feels dumb like me, I'll quote what thriller said and bold the bad stuff.
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Jazzman 12, do you still believe that byu is no different from any other school?
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So you're saying...all mormons are evil.
seattlejazzfan
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So mormons eff up sometimes? I'll be damned! Whatever, as an active mormon, I guess I can buy that, but don't you sit in that chair and try to spew this **** about there being good people, people with integrity, people who serve others, outside of mormonism. Unpossible!
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More like ---> Don't put the blame on the Church or school that call for high moral values when people mess up. It's the people that as you say are human and prone to temptations, foibles, vices, character flaws, etc... People are people and do stuff. Does this mean the Church stops calling for people to be better? Does this mean the school gives up and stops asking for high moral values even though they know some people/students will mess up and make mistakes? I don't think so.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints does not have a monopoly on moral values, good people, etc... just as non LDS people don't have a monopoly on any of the things the Church teaches we shouldn't do.
Why even bring all this up? What's your point? What does this have to do with the investigation at BYU?
7StraightIsGreat
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Yes and no. Let me break it down for you:
-Brandon Davies: Obviously, this kid would have been allowed the act of premarital sex at Utah, so once his fornication became public knowledge, he obviously still plays.
-Where BYU is no different, is the fact that a lot of students and athletes at BYU drink, party, and have premarital sex. Some is never discovered, and sometimes people look the other way.
I'll strongly maintain the opinion that BYU imposes the HC on it's athletes when the have to, not when they want to. Trout mocked me for going as far back as Jimmy Mac, but I do think due to the context of this argument, it's a very valid example.
If he was BYU's QB today, all it would take is one camera phone pic on the internet of him drinking, partying, etc. and BYU would have to suspend him. There a reports that Lavelle and others knew EXACTLY what Jim was doing in his spare time. They were able to keep it under wraps because information wasn't available with the click of a button like it is now.
I guess the best answer I could give you is that at the end of the day, BYU is much more similar to other schools than they'd like to admit and I think this Busby situation illustrates just that.