Yes, it does, you just don't want to see it. You have to bring something else into the equation to excuse your hate.
CJ Miles is the man!
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Yes, it does, you just don't want to see it. You have to bring something else into the equation to excuse your hate.
Which will make him the best three point shooter in NBA history?
Maybe the best three point shooter for a single year in NBA history, but not All Time.
All Time Bests require consistency over time, as well as the number of three's shot.
If this was not the case I could enter the NBA, shoot one, and make it, never shoot another, and retire... thereby becoming the best 3 point shooter in the Universe, no takebacks, or crossies.
Why do all Jazzfanz think every other role player in the world besides Utah role players hit every open jump shot? Players miss shots, it happens.
I absolutely agree on all accounts. He's adding so much more this year than last. His assist to Evans the last game is prime example of him maturing. He made a split second decision that reversed a previous decision he all but married himself to by jumping. My point there wasn't to jump down his throat for shooting less free throws than the league elite. Actually, I'd rather he improved his driving abilities before attempting to draw fouls just for the sake of drawing fouls. The point is to show how silly it is to form an argument strictly from one stat. Using CJ's shooting % to "prove" that he shoots just as good as the competition is naive.
gregbroncs
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Them getting calls helps increase their %. I believe if those players take a shot, get fouled and miss then it does not count as a FG attempt. But if they shoot make it and get fouled it does. Thereby increasing their FG% because they are not counting all of their misses as misses. A lesser known player in the NBA gets less calls and thereby less help with their FG% as the stars. There is no doubt that all of these player get calls that average players like CJ don't. So not all of those misses should be erased but are for the superstars of the league.
If I am wrong on how the FGA's work then ignore all of the previous paragraph.
You are aware that not only do those players play much more MPG, but they also handle the ball a significant amount more.
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Since this is a CJ thread and the Korver thing came up as comparison to CJ show me where CJ is "best" at anything at all? Korver has a single season in the record books for all time = Best 3pt % for a Season. Where is CJ's best of anything? Point is I would take someone capable of NBA-best over CJ, who is getting a pass in this thread for being somewhat less than mediocre since "all players miss shots anyway". Korver at the 3 pt line drew attention. CJ doesn't. It is that simple at times. That is called spreading the defense. Someone who has shown they are capable of NBA-best performances will command attention. That was the whole point of the "best 3pt shooter in the league" discussion. No one was arguing that Korver was the best 3 pt shooter anyone has ever seen anywhere, but he does have one season in the record-books. Compared to CJ (which is the point) who has exactly none.
Them getting calls helps increase their %. I believe if those players take a shot, get fouled and miss then it does not count as a FG attempt. But if they shoot make it and get fouled it does. Thereby increasing their FG% because they are not counting all of their misses as misses. A lesser known player in the NBA gets less calls and thereby less help with their FG% as the stars. There is no doubt that all of these player get calls that average players like CJ don't. So not all of those misses should be erased but are for the superstars of the league.
If I am wrong on how the FGA's work then ignore all of the previous paragraph.
You're correct. If you've invented a way to fully and accurately discount how much fg % should be raised (or lowered if you're Fesenko) based on free throw attempts then let me know and we'll really get statistical. I don't think this changes the point I made but the weighting applied.
Yes, and since you didn't make a point I will do it for you. Those players play much more MPG, which has nothing to do with efficiency. If anything, you would argue that higher MPG can tire players and lower their shooting efficiency at times. Handling the ball more means creating your own shot, which means you're taking harder, off balanced shots. CJ gets spoon fed. While we're at it, let's statistically discount every single wide open look CJ gets compared to the greats. I guarantee the results wouldn't look good for CJ.
Lost_Jazz_Fan
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Doeism runs wild through Jazz-land!!! Approximately every few games or so... Doe!
I agree with your main point, I thought Korver did require attention, as he always had a man running after him which did not allow that man to be used in help defense. He shot better than CJ does.... but don't go NBA History on this.