Gordon Hayward or Chandler Parsons?

[MVP]

Really? Link?
Both Perrin and Lindsey have talked about expecting and wanting him back.

Jazz said the same things about Marshall, Boozer, Bell, AK and others. It is business as always for the Jazz and if he gets 11+ mil offer from other team he is gone like a wind.

 

[fishonjazz]

If Hayward's camp is seeking $12M+/year and Parsons' only $8-10M/year...it's a ****ing absolute no brainer you go for Parsons. One is asking to be overpaid, the other is not.

Yes sir

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Not sure how you can say Hayward is "a mile" better than Parsons, the facts do not bear that out.

Parsons averaged more points, rebounds, shot the ball better (both FG & 3PT) and had less turnovers than Hayward this past season. Hayward had more assists and shot better from the FT line.
Even the career numbers are better for Parsons...

Parsons: 14.1 ppg, 47.3% FG, 37.0% 3PT, 5.2 RPG, 3.3 APG
Hayward: 12.0 ppg, 43.6% FG, 36.5% 3PT, 3.4 RPG, 3.1 APG

All in all, I'd say they are very equal.

Put Hayward with Howard, and the beard, and Parsons with Favors and Kanter, and it's not even close!


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[akirac73]

Put Hayward with Howard, and the beard, and Parsons with Favors and Kanter, and it's not even close!

So basically you're saying, based on pure speculation and disregarding any statistics, Hayward is "a mile" better than Parsons. OK...just wanted to know what your analysis was based on, not very analytical but it's an analysis nonetheless...

 

[akirac73]

Put Hayward with Howard, and the beard, and Parsons with Favors and Kanter, and it's not even close!

Just for ****s and giggles...I did a different comparison. In the 2012-13 season, Parsons didn't have Dwight Howard (a low post threat to draw double teams), and Gordon Hayward had better talent to play with (Big Al and Millsap). Here's how the numbers compared:

Parsons: 15.5 ppg, 48.6% FG, 38.5% 3PT, 5.3 RPG, 3.5 APG
Hayward: 14.1 ppg, 43.5% FG, 41.5% 3PT, 3.1 RPG, 3.0 APG

Still...Parsons put up better numbers than Hayward (without Dwight Howard). In fact, Parson's numbers went down this season compared to last, so having Dwight Howard on the team didn't help him statistically.

 

[2020]

This was going to be my post originally:

Too lazy to find stats to back this up, but I swear every time they go head to head Parsons outplays GTime.

But...I decided not to be lazy.

10 games, both sat out 1. Jazz 4-6. Min, Ast, TO, Stl are virtually identical (32-ish, 4.1, 3.1, 2.1, 1.1). Parsons has 1 more rebound and block per game. Scoring and shooting (EFG%) Hayward has a good edge at 18.1 and 62% vs Parsons at 12.1 and 56%.

Here's the individual game-by-game breakdown: google doc

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Depends on price. Given the same amount, Hayward.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

So basically you're saying, based on pure speculation and disregarding any statistics, Hayward is "a mile" better than Parsons. OK...just wanted to know what your analysis was based on, not very analytical but it's an analysis nonetheless...

Statistically Hayward has a higher PER despite having a career worst 3pt shooting season (by a wide margin).

 

[Stifle Tower]

Jazz said the same things about Marshall, Boozer, Bell, AK and others. It is business as always for the Jazz and if he gets 11+ mil offer from other team he is gone like a wind.

They never said that about Boozer. They let him look for a trade the year before his contract was up. AK? No offer was extended after his MAX contract expired. As for Bell, yes, but he was a FA and signed a deal with Phoenix at 12:01.

 

[cjs55]

Just for ****s and giggles...I did a different comparison. In the 2012-13 season, Parsons didn't have Dwight Howard (a low post threat to draw double teams), and Gordon Hayward had better talent to play with (Big Al and Millsap). Here's how the numbers compared:

Parsons: 15.5 ppg, 48.6% FG, 38.5% 3PT, 5.3 RPG, 3.5 APG
Hayward: 14.1 ppg, 43.5% FG, 41.5% 3PT, 3.1 RPG, 3.0 APG

Still...Parsons put up better numbers than Hayward (without Dwight Howard). In fact, Parson's numbers went down this season compared to last, so having Dwight Howard on the team didn't help him statistically.

Just for ****s and giggles, maybe you should look at how many minutes they played.

Parsons 12-13: per 36 15.4/5.3/3.5 PER 15.3
Hayward 12-13: per 36 17.4/3.8/3.6 PER 16.8

Parsons didn't put up better numbers than Hayward that year.

And you shouldn't expect 'bigger numbers' from a guy when you put a star on a team. You should expect more efficiency.

 

[akirac73]

Just for ****s and giggles, maybe you should look at how many minutes they played.

Parsons 12-13: per 36 15.4/5.3/3.5 PER 15.3
Hayward 12-13: per 36 17.4/3.8/3.6 PER 16.8

Parsons didn't put up better numbers than Hayward that year.

And you shouldn't expect 'bigger numbers' from a guy when you put a star on a team. You should expect more efficiency.

Maybe for ****s and giggles you should try understanding the context of my post...It's in response to some dude claiming that Hayward is a mile better than Parsons (and according to him...It's not even close). All I'm contending is that they are very similar. Can you prove otherwise?

 

[fufo]

it's easy to be a better player when you have two all stars next to you. Switch hayward and parsons for the last few years and you would all be wanting hayward.

this. This. And this...