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Video: Noah Vonleh Workout - Top 4 Pick?

Kanter, Favors combo will be together going into the season. They aren't trading Kanter. Kanter plays fine on defense next to Favors.
If you play him at Center he struggles. He is a PF not a C.
Jazz will be going with one of the combo guards or trading the pick.
 
Please don't confuse elite skill with elite athleticism. NOT the same thing. AG does NOT have elite skill at the 3.


Christ....this site, sometimes.
 
The Jazz are committed to playing Favors at center. Can you imagine our defense with two bigs that are 6'10" with 7'4" wingspan. I bet if we sif we stay at 5, Vonleh is our man.
 
Fabtrey said:
but west gained weight almost every year. west is playing 255lb right now. maybe even 260lb.

i don't think vonleh shouldn't go over 250lb. you don't want to be that big
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The weight with his quickness and agility is a good sign that he can potentially defend the post as well as the rim and the perimeter. Favors came out about the same weight and has had issues being bullied in the post. I don't want a 4-5 who can't man up down low.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
I've been a big supporter of Kanter in the past, but I've really soured on whether he can play in a Championship game the way he defends. I think he would be a great 3rd big coming off the bench giving us scoring punch, but I think we are still looking for the PF for the future on our team.
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At this point, not even Favors is good enough to defend in the finals.

And you know this from his first season of real minutes, after injury, with a coach who had bad defensive schemes, and lots of other young and other bad defenders around him?

Kanter doesn't know defense. Saying he can't learn it, given his physical tools is premature. Mark Eaton type shot blocker? No. Good defender one day? Why not? He's barely been coached and just turned 22 a week ago. Plemty of upside given 10k hours theory.
 
Bodhi said:
Please don't confuse elite skill with elite athleticism. NOT the same thing. AG does NOT have elite skill at the 3.


Christ....this site, sometimes.
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AG skills that are considered elite by scouts:

Handles
Court vision
Passing
Offensive boards
Defensive instincts
First step
Wingspan
Vert



The kid has great BBIQ

Reducing him to just an athlete is just pathetic
 
Sexual Favors said:
AG skills that are considered elite by scouts:

Handles
Court vision
Passing
Offensive boards
Defensive instincts
First step
Wingspan
Vert



The kid has great BBIQ

Reducing him to just an athlete is just pathetic
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All those skills you mentioned, he is ELITE at? ELITE?


He has elite handles?

Elite passing? His passing is elite?

Elite court vision?

Wing span is a skill?

I'm genuinely not trying to be a dick but I think we have a different understanding of the word "elite". For example, I think he's pretty good at a lot of those things but do not think he will instantly be one of the top 5 at any of those things you mentioned.
 
Bodhi said:
All those skills you mentioned, he is ELITE at? ELITE?


He has elite handles?

Elite passing? His passing is elite?

Elite court vision?

Wing span is a skill?

I'm genuinely not trying to be a dick but I think we have a different understanding of the word "elite". For example, I think he's pretty good at a lot of those things but do not think he will instantly be one of the top 5 at any of those things you mentioned.
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I laughed as well. I think Sexual probably had shooting written there too, but after wrestling with it for a couple minutes decided he better not go quite that far.
 
Bodhi said:
All those skills you mentioned, he is ELITE at? ELITE?


He has elite handles?

Elite passing? His passing is elite?

Elite court vision?

Wing span is a skill?

I'm genuinely not trying to be a dick but I think we have a different understanding of the word "elite". For example, I think he's pretty good at a lot of those things but do not think he will instantly be one of the top 5 at any of those things you mentioned.
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First of all, no one from this draft will be top 5 in anything immediately.

For his size, yes, all of those are considered elite. His passes are generally spot on, and he usually makes the right read. Etc.

For the wing, he is a mismatch to everyone but the few exceptions like LeBron and Durant, which make his whole package elite. NBA is all about having genuine mismatches. He is one. If he shot the ball well, and was the focal point of his team's offense, he'd be in consideration for the #1 pick.

Shooting form isn't broken. He had a decent jumper. Nothing like the other athletic bad shooter comps he's received. He just show his FT's different, which can happen because they are set shots, not jumpers.

At 18, he has an incredible grasp for the game. If he was perfect, he wouldn't be in our range. Jazz owe it to themselves to figure out if he has touch. If he has touch, everything will definitely come together for him.
 
Sexual Favors said:
For his size, yes, all of those are considered elite. His passes are generally spot on, and he usually makes the right read. Etc.

For the wing, he is a mismatch to everyone but the few exceptions like LeBron and Durant, which make his whole package elite. NBA is all about having genuine mismatches. He is one. If he shot the ball well, and was the focal point of his team's offense, he'd be in consideration for the #1 pick.

Shooting form isn't broken. He had a decent jumper. Nothing like the other athletic bad shooter comps he's received. He just show his FT's different, which can happen because they are set shots, not jumpers.

At 18, he has an incredible grasp for the game. If he was perfect, he wouldn't be in our range. Jazz owe it to themselves to figure out if he has touch. If he has touch, everything will definitely come together for hm.
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Ok
 
Jazz4ever said:
I laughed as well. I think Sexual probably had shooting written there too, but after wrestling with it for a couple minutes decided he better not go quite that far.
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Cute.

Let's compare him to the two wings going ahead of him. Out of the skills I listed, are either better than AG? No. Maybe Jabari on the boards. They are just better offensively, shot better and hit their FT's.

Jazz need to figure out in workouts and film if he has touch. If there's touch, they are looking at the steal of the draft. If there isn't, then they go with someone else.
 
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