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Iraq Is Cracking Apart

babe said:
Pretty impressive how high ideals about World Peace come to comments like this in about three steps. The end-stage devolvement of "Balkanization" is the "one man at a time" method of eliminating the "enemies of the State", with "State" defined as "me" or "you".

So here's the "Word on the Street", so to speak, straight from the horse's mouth:

https://www.cfr.org/iran/so-won-war-iraq-iran/p22863

US hawks have been squawking for decades about the need for a regional war in the Middle East to bring the region into better management under UN/CFR leadership. Can't just leave them behind in the new global world order based on our new-fangled notions of Nietzsche and godless progressivism under a "scientific" brahmin regime, with everything run by college-stabilized "experts", of which perhaps we have a local example in Jazzfanz, who shall remain nameless. . . .

We will, of course, be on the side of George Bush's "blood brothers" in Saudia Arabia. And, of course, according to Marxist dialectics, we should expect a dawn of science and technology to emerge from a war between thirteenth-century contesting State Religions.

The British have been manipulating politics in the Middle East for almost three hundred years. Haven't they done a superb job of keeping the region from ever becoming an economic or mercantile competitor to our western global cartelists?
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None of us got into "world peace" but ok. It was light hearted fun on an interenet forum. It's the norm.

interesting takes. Would be interested to hear who that jazzfanner is tbh.
 
babe said:
Stoked is fully-vested in an Anglophile political mentality and world-view. And there is the tunnel under the channel. Don't bother him with facts based on your own perspective, please. We have enough cognitive dissonance in here already.
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lol wow, I posted what is happening according to various news sources that I listed. Never really got into what I thought about it. But glad you know my thoughts better than I do.
 
One Brow said:
Why should you be different from the rest of us?

I don't see us sending troops over this. However, it does make me wish, to a small degree, Hussein ran Iraq.
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Guy was evil but things were...controlled.

Wonder what a comparison of the death totals for the last 10 years of his reign was v. the first 10 years after.
 
USA screw up Middle East bad. I think people who vote for the George Bush should be made put their money into mouth by ship all over to Iraq. These are hypocrites saying hay, go fight over there but they do not dare go themself. Then you look at cost of war, you say hay, we need balance budget spending cap. Let us pull out Iraq and turn blind eye to murder and torture of innocent citizen by religious sect tribal dictator and terrorist cells.

American right are no more patriot you are coward who worship oil and US dollar.
 
Stoked said:
Guy was evil but things were...controlled.

Wonder what a comparison of the death totals for the last 10 years of his reign was v. the first 10 years after.
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No comparison. You ever read first two chapter in book Lone Survivor? US Navy Seal grenade citizen home then cry over Rule On Engagement. US soldier kill over 500,000 innocent Iraqi. Some liberation huh.
 
I'm pretty sure the government of Hussein was responsible for tens of thousands of deaths of tens of thousands. Maybe counting the war with Iran, ten times that. But we were responsible for him being the honcho there in the first place. We simply don't have any way to know how many people would die unjustly if we just stayed home and reduced our government to an non-issue. We do know that Russia, under Stalion, killed tens of millions. China under Mao killed more, Hitler and the Japanese militarist clique killed millions more.

I might not think we're doing things right, but I'm pretty sure that other nations, not having some of our "high ideals" would do worse.

I think we should change our principles, our foreign policy, away from cartel economics and actually promote human rights. . . that means, smaller governments worldwide with less booty to merchandise for our "favors". We should shame all the honchos with our media, and we should have military strength ten times what anyone else can afford.. .. .

Just sayin' . . . . .
 
America can't protect human rights out of its borders. This is against their interests. Your government is feeding on the elimination of possible contenders worldwide on any platform, if not, getting it to itself, exploiting resources, so that they can keep their motor running. That is the top side of the US compared to the prior empires. They act like they care about human rights, but they actually don't give a crap and look down on the rest of the world. Saving your presence.
 
addictionary said:
America can't protect human rights out of its borders. This is against their interests. Your government is feeding on the elimination of possible contenders worldwide on any platform, if not, getting it to itself, exploiting resources, so that they can keep their motor running. That is the top side of the US compared to the prior empires. They act like they care about human rights, but they actually don't give a crap and look down on the rest of the world. Saving your presence.
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Please don't associate the morals of DC with the average American.
 
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