why so many of you giving up on Burke? He is our future PG, period!

[da ThRONe]

I don't need to read any of this thread. I just want to point out that Trey:

Slowed down the offense for everyone
Undersized
Below average speed
Doesn't play defense (or maybe he can't, that's a good debate)
Doesn't shoot well
And doesn't set his teammates up very well

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Ok how can you say he doesn't set he teammates up well? He lead the team in apg and wasn't the primary ball handler the majority of the season.

And saying a guy doesn't shoot well yet ignoring his finger injury is completely disingenuous. How many players you know can shoot well with an injury like that to their shooting hand?

He slowed down the offense so Hayward could be the primary ball handler in the half court.

 

[MVP]

I don't need to read any of this thread. I just want to point out that Trey:

Slowed down the offense for everyone
Undersized
Below average speed
Doesn't play defense (or maybe he can't, that's a good debate)

Doesn't shoot well
And doesn't set his teammates up very well

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So how does Exum compares? Trey outsprinted Exum in combine - means Exum is worse than below average speed according to your logic? Trey has elite assist to TO ratio and free throw shooting, Exum - below average. Trey at least shot 33% from 3 in NBA range.... Exum could not even do it on FIBA range 3pts. Trey was clutch in numerous games in NBA, Exum failed to deliver in medal game closing minutes in FIBA U-19. All Exum has on Trey is length.
Careful what you wish for, all I can say.

 

[orangello]

Ok how can you say he doesn't set he teammates up well? He lead the team in apg and wasn't the primary ball handler the majority of the season.

And saying a guy doesn't shoot well yet ignoring his finger injury is completely disingenuous. How many players you know can shoot well with an injury like that to their shooting hand?

He slowed down the offense so Hayward could be the primary ball handler in the half court.

I see I ruffled some feathers.

So how does Exum compares? Trey outsprinted Exum in combine - means Exum is worse than below average speed according to your logic? Trey has elite assist to TO ratio and free throw shooting, Exum - below average. Trey at least shot 33% from 3 in NBA range.... Exum could not even do it on FIBA range 3pts. Trey was clutch in numerous games in NBA, Exum failed to deliver in medal game closing minutes in FIBA U-19. All Exum has on Trey is length.
Careful what you wish for, all I can say.

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[UGLI baby]

lol I don't even like Burke, but OG's continued hate for him is funny.

You were wrong about the Burke vs Schroedder thing bro.

#LetItGo

 

[da ThRONe]

I see I ruffled some feathers.



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No but what you say should have some merit to it. I didn't dispute the other critiques of Burke because they are IMO legit concerns. I just pointed out the ones that you listed that seems illogical.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Ok how can you say he doesn't set he teammates up well? He lead the team in apg and wasn't the primary ball handler the majority of the season.

And saying a guy doesn't shoot well yet ignoring his finger injury is completely disingenuous. How many players you know can shoot well with an injury like that to their shooting hand?

He slowed down the offense so Hayward could be the primary ball handler in the half court.

This is ludicrous. He shot poorly in Summer League before his injury. It was his lack of size, pace, and athleticism at the pro level that had him line driving shots well before his finger injury. Can P3 make him a better athlete? Better hope so. Ever since summer league, his jumper has been releasing flat, unlike his FT's, and that's because a jumper requires one to jump, and the kid couldn't, because he was tired, because he is a poor athlete, at this point.

And saying "he slowed down the offense so Hayward could be the primary ball handler in the half court" is really looking through the blinders. Hayward wanted to run. Trey said he played slow, because he wasn't comfortable playing fast, on locker clean out day.

 

[da ThRONe]

This is ludicrous. He shot poorly in Summer League before his injury. It was his lack of size, pace, and athleticism at the pro level that had him line driving shots well before his finger injury. Can P3 make him a better athlete? Better hope so. Ever since summer league, his jumper has been releasing flat, unlike his FT's, and that's because a jumper requires one to jump, and the kid couldn't, because he was tired, because he is a poor athlete, at this point.

And saying "he slowed down the offense so Hayward could be the primary ball handler in the half court" is really looking through the blinders. Hayward wanted to run. Trey said he played slow, because he wasn't comfortable playing fast, on locker clean out day.

So your saying you believe that based on a poor shooting performance from summer league that him breaking his finger had no impact whatsoever during the regular season?

Also I would like a link to this supposed quote from Burke. So I can hear/read what he said myself. I have a hard time buying he would struggle with probably the easiest part of basketball especially when he thrived in these situation in college.

 

[Doublea]

This is ludicrous. He shot poorly in Summer League before his injury. It was his lack of size, pace, and athleticism at the pro level that had him line driving shots well before his finger injury. Can P3 make him a better athlete? Better hope so. Ever since summer league, his jumper has been releasing flat, unlike his FT's, and that's because a jumper requires one to jump, and the kid couldn't, because he was tired, because he is a poor athlete, at this point.

And saying "he slowed down the offense so Hayward could be the primary ball handler in the half court" is really looking through the blinders. Hayward wanted to run. Trey said he played slow, because he wasn't comfortable playing fast, on locker clean out day.

I agree that he really needs to get stronger though. But I don't think you give enough credit to him. He'll get better, just like he did in college.

 

[Sexual Favors]

So your saying you believe that based on a poor shooting performance from summer league that him breaking his finger had no impact whatsoever during the regular season?

Also I would like a link to this supposed quote from Burke. So I can hear/read what he said myself. I have a hard time buying he would struggle with probably the easiest part of basketball especially when he thrived in these situation in college.

To your first point, no, I am not saying that. I am saying you can't claim that is the only reason though, when there were signs beforehand that his jumper was out of form. He said many times during summer league, and the season, that he was exhausted. A lot of rookies get tired, particularly those who don't have a size or athletic advantage. He also said that it was his legs affecting his shot many times. He should be a bit better next season.

As for pace. Believe it. College is a 35 second shot clock. That's a whole 11 seconds more he had to work with. The specific interview where he said the pace was his fault, is the David Locke interview from locker clean out, I believe. https://1280thezone.com/index.php/audio/listen/utah_jazz_locker_clean_out_trey_burke. Unfortunately, 1280 has been having server errors, so the audio doesn't load anymore. I am, however, not the only person have heard him say it. Many people on this forum have referenced it, and Locke has discussed it a couple of times in his Tip-off.

 

[Sexual Favors]

I agree that he really needs to get stronger though. But I don't think you give enough credit to him. He'll get better, just like he did in college.

I give plenty of credit, I think. But, I am not going to agree with posters who say his shooting woes started when he broke his finger, or that Trey played slow for Hayward, when Hayward's game is specifically designed for a faster pace.

That's a cool pic of Trey, and yes, he is jumping high off the ground. But, do you not notice how far below the rim his head still is? He is athletic, just like most NBA players are, but he's not athletic enough to compensate for his size. Maybe P3 will transform him, but given his starting point, it isn't likely. Trey could be decent, but if you have the chance to upgrade, you don't not take it because you have Trey Burke.

 

[billyshelby]

Burke can't drive. Doesn't mean he doesn't have a future as a Billups/Miller type, but he's hardly a shooter at this point. That's his upper trajecory though.

The problem with Burke that I worry about is he likes to call his own number and seems to have an inflated opinion of his offensive worth. In that respect, he's a lot like Mo -- small guard with a Napoleon complex who is fixated on one number in the box score.

But he had a lot to prove, it's only year one, and he might readjust. The other problem, however, is I didn't particularly find his PnR skills to be very impressive. In his rookie year, the PnR was merely a P so he could get a jump shot from mid range that he often missed.

Personally, I'm not that hopeful. But the jury is definitely out.

 

[ljnapoli]

(Im from Australia)
Everyone who I talk basketball with goes through the following motions when I tell them I go for the Jazz:
1. Screw up there face thinking wtf
2. Tell me they go for Miami, LAC, LAL, OKC or Bulls.
3. (only applies if they actual watch basketball): Tell me that 'Trey Burke is pretty good'


So I dunno, maybe he is pretty good hahah. I'm still unsold tbh.