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Don't Draft Jabari Parker Thread!!!

Disagree 100%.

Jabari will be a much better defender than everyone thinks. He's actually really athletic. I think lots of people are going to be surprised just how well his athleticism translates to the NBA.

Jabari is my pick for the best player in the draft. I think he is going to tear it up.

Can't wait to bump these threads in the future.
 
He is way ahead of Wiggins and Embiid in NBA readiness. I understand Cavs needing a big man but I think Jabari will contribute in a more valuable way than those two, so he should be #1 pick.

But when you try to pick the best, you should also look out for your needs, fill the holes in your boat. I think the defense issue is the worst part of Utah Jazz's game according to last year's performance. I mean, it's whole on another level. Defense is the way you get your place in a starting line up, your minutes. Last year, the roster was so full of young players that many of them stayed in their game's level and did not push it hard defensively because they've had no real fear of losing the job. We saw that on many players, but the most shocking thing to me was the contract wall Derrick Favors' defense hit. Has it already been one year since the last time we've talked how effective he is like Dwight or Amare in his blocked or altered shots? I have a lot of respect and love for Favors, and I really would like him to play as long as he can. But he needs to shaken up and get back to his rage level against any opponent. I understand, last year was with a lot of problems. The players did not seem too much into their coach. I hope this year, the new coach kicks their asses and sets them straight for work. The right amount of effort needs motivation and motivation needs the right motive. So a new coach who will kick you out of your minutes is a good start. Would be a good start. I don't know the guy. The second good motive would be to stop tanking and trying to dead-win every ****ing game.
 
My2Cents said:
And Gordon will learn how to shoot.
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I don't get where this thinking comes from

You do know that we are talking about 18-19 year old kids right? Do you actually believe they are done learning and developing this early into their very young careers?
 
Hack said:
Do you actually believe they are done learning and developing this early into their very young careers?
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No, I don't. But I don't think you can assume glaring weaknesses will just go away once players get to the NBA or as they get older. Sometimes a wart is just a wart. The players who dramatically improve a weakness in the NBA are far outnumbered by players like CJ Miles who never really improve and are who they are when they come into the league. Parker is a pretty good athlete, but he's not particularly explosive, or laterally quick, and doesn't really battle in the post. So what makes you think that when gets to the NBA against bigger, stronger, faster, and more skilled players that he's going to transform himself into a good defensive player. What are the indications that make you believe that? "This kind of thinking" comes from years of watching players come and go in the NBA. He may work his butt off and prove me wrong, but I think it's more likely he becomes a Boozer, Hardin type player. Just my opinion.
 
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My2Cents said:
No, I don't. But I don't think you can assume glaring weaknesses will just go away once players get to the NBA or as they get older. Sometimes a wart is just a wart. The players who dramatically improve a weakness in the NBA are far outweighed by players like CJ Miles who never really improve and are who they are when they come into the league. Parker is a pretty good athlete, but he's not particularly explosive, or laterally quick, and doesn't really battle in the post. So what makes you think that when gets to the NBA against bigger, stronger, faster, and more skilled players that he's going to transform himself into a good defensive player. What are the indications that make you believe that? "This kind of thinking" comes from years of watching players come and go in the NBA. He may work his butt off and prove me wrong, but I think it's more likely he becomes a Boozer, Hardin type player. Just my opinion.
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Boozer and Harden aren't in the same class. Both bad defenders, yes, but can't be compared. Harden is on a whole other level when it comes to offense. Boozer was a sorry *** player in so more ways than just not being able to defend. Namely, his attitude sucked and just wasn't a competitor.

Comparing Jabari to Boozer is just retarded.

I think you and others aren't assessing Jabaris athletic ability accurately. I don't see a slow non athletic player. He looks pretty explosive to me. And again, we are talking about a young man who could become even more athletic as time goes on. This is what working out is for.

It boggles my mind that no one around here understands that you can improve speed, agility, and jumping ability. And you can improve shooting, and all sorts of other things.

I see a kid who is extremely advanced for his age, and has a ton of room for improvement. I don't see a finished product. It feels like that's what everyone is judging him on. Like as if he won't improve at all. But somehow other prospects can. There isn't one player in this draft who is done developing. Especially the 18 and 19 year olds. Since when was it decided that at 18 or 19 you are who you are? I think a lot of people are just looking for something to dog Jabari on. Nitpicking the crap out of him. Why? He has so much talent already at such a young age. Who in this class is more polished than him? If Jabari isn't going to be anything because of these perceived weaknesses, then by that logic no one else will either. Everyone in class has holes in their games.
 
Hack said:
Boozer and Harden aren't in the same class. Both bad defenders, yes, but can't be compared. Harden is on a whole other level when it comes to offense. Boozer was a sorry *** player in so more ways than just not being able to defend. Namely, his attitude sucked and just wasn't a competitor.

Comparing Jabari to Boozer is just retarded.
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I hate how people on this board think they have resort to words like 'retarded' or 'idiot'. Like that somehow strengthens their argument. The point of the discussion was whether Parker can become a good defensive player in the NBA. I wasn't saying Parker, Harden, and Boozer were similar players. Only that they are offensive minded players who don't defend.

I think you and others aren't assessing Jabaris athletic ability accurately. I don't see a slow non athletic player. He looks pretty explosive to me. And again, we are talking about a young man who could become even more athletic as time goes on. This is what working out is for.

It boggles my mind that no one around here understands that you can improve speed, agility, and jumping ability. And you can improve shooting, and all sorts of other things.

I see a kid who is extremely advanced for his age, and has a ton of room for improvement. I don't see a finished product. It feels like that's what everyone is judging him on. Like as if he won't improve at all. But somehow other prospects can. There isn't one player in this draft who is done developing. Especially the 18 and 19 year olds. Since when was it decided that at 18 or 19 you are who you are? I think a lot of people are just looking for something to dog Jabari on. Nitpicking the crap out of him. Why? He has so much talent already at such a young age. Who in this class is more polished than him? If Jabari isn't going to be anything because of these perceived weaknesses, then by that logic no one else will either. Everyone in class has holes in their games.
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Nice rant, but I didn't say he was a slow, non athletic player, or that he was a finished product, or that he wasn't going to be anything. I just said he was a poor defensive player. It's hard to dispute that. I said in the beginning I would take him if he were available, but I don't think criticizing his defense is really 'nitpicking'.
 
My2Cents said:
No, I don't. But I don't think you can assume glaring weaknesses will just go away once players get to the NBA or as they get older. Sometimes a wart is just a wart. The players who dramatically improve a weakness in the NBA are far outnumbered by players like CJ Miles who never really improve and are who they are when they come into the league. Parker is a pretty good athlete, but he's not particularly explosive, or laterally quick, and doesn't really battle in the post. So what makes you think that when gets to the NBA against bigger, stronger, faster, and more skilled players that he's going to transform himself into a good defensive player. What are the indications that make you believe that? "This kind of thinking" comes from years of watching players come and go in the NBA. He may work his butt off and prove me wrong, but I think it's more likely he becomes a Boozer, Hardin type player. Just my opinion.
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that was more than 2 cents
 
Hack said:
Boozer and Harden aren't in the same class. Both bad defenders, yes, but can't be compared. Harden is on a whole other level when it comes to offense. Boozer was a sorry *** player in so more ways than just not being able to defend. Namely, his attitude sucked and just wasn't a competitor.

Comparing Jabari to Boozer is just retarded.

I think you and others aren't assessing Jabaris athletic ability accurately. I don't see a slow non athletic player. He looks pretty explosive to me. And again, we are talking about a young man who could become even more athletic as time goes on. This is what working out is for.

It boggles my mind that no one around here understands that you can improve speed, agility, and jumping ability. And you can improve shooting, and all sorts of other things.

I see a kid who is extremely advanced for his age, and has a ton of room for improvement. I don't see a finished product. It feels like that's what everyone is judging him on. Like as if he won't improve at all. But somehow other prospects can. There isn't one player in this draft who is done developing. Especially the 18 and 19 year olds. Since when was it decided that at 18 or 19 you are who you are? I think a lot of people are just looking for something to dog Jabari on. Nitpicking the crap out of him. Why? He has so much talent already at such a young age. Who in this class is more polished than him? If Jabari isn't going to be anything because of these perceived weaknesses, then by that logic no one else will either. Everyone in class has holes in their games.
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This. Well said, everything you covered I agree with. People forget that these players are literally kids. Obviously they haven't developed fully, and the fact that Jabari is so developed, so skilled and so mature for his age is scary good.
 
1. Jabari Parker
2. Andrew Wiggins
3. Aaron Gordon

I personally want one of those 3 guys. I fully expect Embiid in the top 4 picks and then one of Exum, Vonleh or Smart. If the Jazz take the best wing available I think it will be huge for them down the road.

Parker, Wiggins or Gordon all day.
 
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