Jazz have "zeroed in" on Jabari Parker

[Coach Ellis]

First. I am high on the guy. Did you not see what I was willing to give up for him? I just think there comes a point with any prospect where you have to say "too much," because they are still prospects.

Secondly, Lillard played here, Jabari didn't. Some of is went to see Lillard play regularly, and thus had the ability to be higher on him than other fanbases, considering Weber State games didn't get a lot of national coverage. Jabari played for Duke, and he was a highly touted one and done. His games were easily accessible. You saying "People are familiar with Jabari because he's LDS. Some may value him more because of that" is agreeing with me, so I don't really know what your point is.

I watched Jimmer-mania, and now I am watching Jabari-mania here. Jabari is at least going to be a good player. I just think some people are willing to sell too much for him because of that religious familiarity. He is a great prospect, but he is still just a prospect, and you don't pay superstar premium for prospects, especially when you are in a position to draft another good prospect. You just don't. You try to make appealing deals to move up, but if the other team isn't interested, or is trying to gouge you, you don't get desperate and give them all your assets.

Good post. The only thing that I'll add to this is that if you truly believe that Jabari Parker has the kind of offensive potential that Carmello Anthony has, it's worth it to pay a premium price to get him. I'd be willing to trade a bunch of draft assets to move up and get him. #23 isn't worth much, and I truly don't see the Jazz in the bottom 10 again this next year. Protect the pick top 3 or send a 16/17 pick instead.

You make a good point that you don't get desperate and give all your assets for a prospect, but trading for a superstar costs a heavy price. The top of this draft is the closest that the Jazz have gotten to landing a player like that since DWill. I can understand how many would value him at that level before he's actually proven it. It's dangerous to do, but the Jazz have a young Core in place and a ton of cap space moving forward. They have the room on the roster and the assets to make a bold move. I wouldn't trade any of the Core5 guys to move up, but I'd give up picks to do it all day long.

From my viewpoint, I still like the Core5 guys and want to see how they'll develop (especially under a new coach.) If they don't work out, then you move on. . . but I'd like to see them try it first. With that said, if Parker lives up to his potential there's not a single thing that the Jazz can do to trade for him four/five years from now. It just won't happen. If they want him (or Wiggins for that matter) then they have to strike while they have a chance. The chance is small, but they do have a small chance for now. I don't care if it's Wiggins, Parker or Gordon. I want the best possible player that they can get to add to the young core and see how they work out together.

I really like the potential for this roster. But they need another long-term wing player. Favors, Kanter, Hayward, Burks, Burke, Gobert and any of Wiggins/Parker/Gordon is a nice start to a decent young roster.

 

[Sexual Favors]

I would give up picks all day long as well. Further back in the thread I stated as much. I just think you do #5, a player and #23, or #5, #23, some 2nds and GSW 17. You don't do it all.

 

[Coach Ellis]

I would give up picks all day long as well. Further back in the thread I stated as much. I just think you do #5, a player and #23, or #5, #23, some 2nds and GSW 17. You don't do it all.

I'm good with 5, 23 and whichever of 15, 16 or 17 pick that they want. No more than that. I'm not sold on Kanter or Burks, but I still have a lot of hope for both of them. I'd rather add Jabari to the group that we have than give up the group we have to get him. If that's the cost to acquire him, then I'd rather sit tight and pick Gordon.

 

[gomretat]

No one will let us move up without one of our young players thrown in. And I seriously doubt that either of the B&B brothers will be enough. It will take Kanter or Favors plus multiple picks.

 

[Sexual Favors]

No one will let us move up without one of our young players thrown in. And I seriously doubt that either of the B&B brothers will be enough. It will take Kanter or Favors plus multiple picks.

Just because something costs a certain amount, doesn't mean it is worth that amount.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Just because something costs a certain amount, doesn't mean it is worth that amount.

It also assumes that the Bucks or Sixers value Parker more than Exum, Vonleh, Wiggins, etc. I don't necessarily agree with that. I could easily see those teams not being sold on Parker because of his deficiencies. It's pretty easy to make a deal when you think two things are closer to each other in value than most perceive them to be. If the Jazz have to pay that high of a price to move up two or three spots then they should stay put. The only way to gain any leverage is to be willing to walk away. If that's not good enough to make the deal, then stay put and draft Gordon, Exum or Vonleh.

 

[b_line]

What has he shown that makes him smarter than Melo?

If you hate Melo, you can't like Jabari, unless you admit that not liking Melo is solely based on his off-court personality.

I fully admit to not liking melo based on his personality. It started for me when he played with Allen iverson. I actually liked both their games. Just could not like them because of the way they acts and the way they looked. Hate the corn rows.

 

[d@!!0n0rcutt]

I'm good with 5, 23 and whichever of 15, 16 or 17 pick that they want. No more than that. I'm not sold on Kanter or Burks, but I still have a lot of hope for both of them. I'd rather add Jabari to the group that we have than give up the group we have to get him. If that's the cost to acquire him, then I'd rather sit tight and pick Gordon.

This. The last part is what I agree with, if we have to give up player X plus picks then just stand pat and draft Aaron Gordon, I like my chances still with this core plus Gordon.

 

[Revolution 9]

This. The last part is what I agree with, if we have to give up player X plus picks then just stand pat and draft Aaron Gordon, I like my chance still with this core plus Gordon.

You like our chances to what? Make it as the 7th or 8th seed, and get trounced by the Spurs or Thunder?

 

[d@!!0n0rcutt]

You like our chances to what? Make it as the 7th or 8th seed, and get trounced by the Spurs or Thunder?

No, top 3 pick in the next draft to draft the next Timothy Duncan in Jahlil Okafor because I realize whomever we add this year isn't going to dramatically make us into a playoff team. But a starting lineup of Burke, Hayward, Gordon, Okafor, and Favors with Neto, Burks, Kanter and Gobert coming off the bench is a pretty good start to keep that team together and get some time on the court together like the Spurs did by keeping everyone together.

 

[Revolution 9]

No, top 3 pick in the next draft to draft the next Timothy Duncan in Jahlil Okafor because I realize whomever we add this year isn't going to dramatically make us into a playoff team. But a starting lineup of Burke, Hayward, Gordon, Okafor, and Favors with Neto, Burks, Kanter and Gobert coming off the bench is a pretty good start to keep that team together and get some time on the court together like the Spurs did by keeping everyone together.

So we are going to suck bad enough this year for a top 3 pick next year? #1 thats risky, we all know how that turned out this year, and #2 how
can our core be worth anything, if they have an even worse record next year?

This is exactly how we become the Kings. Just keep playing the lotto year after year. It sucks we got shafted by lotto balls, but we must make a huge play
for a star.

 

[d@!!0n0rcutt]

So we are going to suck bad enough this year for a top 3 pick next year? Wow this is some core!

We have to grow and learn together, we are still very young no matter who we draft in this year's draft. It's a slow process but let this team grow together and bide their time and our time of dominance will come when you have Burke, Hayward, Gordon, Okafor, and Favors, that team will be top 5 defensively and top half of the league offensively and that's top 4 in the West.