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One thing looking good about the grappling to me, it looks like it could really be helpful in real life in a weaponless situation. Because almost all of the fights I've seen in my life ended up on the ground pretty quick and all that karate mumbo jumbo were useless most of the time.

I haven't fought much myself(I was the short guy in the gang giving the orders to the big guys to fight for me) but if I ever decide to learn a few things for self defense, I know I'll give the weight to some boxing, wrestling and the grappling techniques that these guys are practicing.

Just remember all these fights you watch on tv or that anybody competes in have rules. There was a gold medal Olympian wrestler a few years called Rulon Gardner that spent a lot of time in the area where I live, and I watched him get absolutely destroyed by a well placed pinch from a 65 year old man when they were horsing around. There are lot small things you can learn without being a trained fighter that would help you quite a lot in the self defense realm.
 
Just remember all these fights you watch on tv or that anybody competes in have rules. There was a gold medal Olympian wrestler a few years called Rulon Gardner that spent a lot of time in the area where I live, and I watched him get absolutely destroyed by a well placed pinch from a 65 year old man when they were horsing around. There are lot small things you can learn without being a trained fighter that would help you quite a lot in the self defense realm.

Yep, I saw a dude that got knocked out by a 5"3' girl, by accident.

Btw, even if I learn some stuff, I'd try them only with friends while fooling around. It would be only my last resort in real life danger, especially if the guy has a knife or that kind of think. Most of so called self defense techniques I've seen have stupid blocks or ridiculous stuff as defense techniques against weapons. The video below shows how stupid most of them are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsxk7dGY8KQ

Poewfsh, pfoomp, shmoophh, whatevew. Luckily I'm very light on my feet and I have good condition so I have no much problem with the thing I'm gonna do in real danger, which is running the hell away.
 
Pro wrestlers are so strong though. Do grapplers train much for their strengths also?

There are some hugely strong grapplers too, but for the most part, the thinking is that the more muscle you have, the more blood has to be pumped and oxygen used to fuel all of that muscle. Grappling is weighted much more toward technique, and not strength. That is why there is an "Absolute" (no weight classes) division that a lot of people participate in. Almost always, it's the lighter, faster guys, that have crisp technique, that win.

So grappling is submission wrestling? I wrestled in High School too I would be interested in trying this.

Yes, essentially. People with a wrestling background tend to be better all around than guys who just train jiu jitsu, but wrestlers have to unlearn a lot of their basic "ideas" (like being on your back, for example) before they can really sart being successful. If you look at the last ten years of UFC champions, you'll find gobs of collegiate wrestlers.

Are you in the Salt Lake area? I can recommend a few excellent gyms in Northern Utah, but if you're in Slc, then the Salt Lake Grappling Club is the best in town.

ECTYA, you're absolutely right about using grappling as self defense. I haven't been in a fight in years, but the last one I was in I ended up with a broken hand from punching his chin, and a broken nose from catching his fist like a BAWSE. I'm never going to exchange hands again. Hopefully I never get in another fight, but if I do, it's going to the ground and my opponent is going to sleep.
 
I haven't been in a fight in years, but the last one I was in I ended up with a broken hand from punching his chin, and a broken nose from catching his fist like a BAWSE. I'm never going to exchange hands again. Hopefully I never get in another fight, but if I do, it's going to the ground and my opponent is going to sleep.

More details please.
 
One thing looking good about the grappling to me, it looks like it could really be helpful in real life in a weaponless situation. Because almost all of the fights I've seen in my life ended up on the ground pretty quick and all that karate mumbo jumbo were useless most of the time.

I haven't fought much myself(I was the short guy in the gang giving the orders to the big guys to fight for me) but if I ever decide to learn a few things for self defense, I know I'll give the weight to some boxing, wrestling and the grappling techniques that these guys are practicing.

That's probably because they didn't care for much footwork. It's really hard to get punched when you distance yourself and stand sideways. Need to keep it simple. Step in, punch, step back. All the better if he tries to catch you. Opens himself to hits.
 
You wanna get used to street fight? Box. The package comes with the surprise ingredient to get used to getting punched. And a few footwork and speed. A solid preferred arm for jabs n haymakers. You can knock down 10 people at the same fight alone.
 
I lost 35 pounds total on my last official weigh in. 25 was probably actual good weight loss from dieting and cardio, the last 10 pounds or so we're from water weight. I was at 240 and wanted to compete at 210. When I weighed in at Grappler's Quest I was 205. I was paranoid about making weight and pretty much killed myself the two last days cutting weight. The next day, I competed at 218. Adding 13 pounds in less than 24 hours feels great. I kind of have mixed feelings on the tournament. I put in a lot of time training and working on my cardio and both my matches ended quickly. I subbed the guy in the championship match in like 5 seconds or so once I got the take down. It was awesome feeling but kinda of a that's it feeling too.
 
There are some hugely strong grapplers too, but for the most part, the thinking is that the more muscle you have, the more blood has to be pumped and oxygen used to fuel all of that muscle. Grappling is weighted much more toward technique, and not strength. That is why there is an "Absolute" (no weight classes) division that a lot of people participate in. Almost always, it's the lighter, faster guys, that have crisp technique, that win.



Yes, essentially. People with a wrestling background tend to be better all around than guys who just train jiu jitsu, but wrestlers have to unlearn a lot of their basic "ideas" (like being on your back, for example) before they can really sart being successful. If you look at the last ten years of UFC champions, you'll find gobs of collegiate wrestlers.

Are you in the Salt Lake area? I can recommend a few excellent gyms in Northern Utah, but if you're in Slc, then the Salt Lake Grappling Club is the best in town.

ECTYA, you're absolutely right about using grappling as self defense. I haven't been in a fight in years, but the last one I was in I ended up with a broken hand from punching his chin, and a broken nose from catching his fist like a BAWSE. I'm never going to exchange hands again. Hopefully I never get in another fight, but if I do, it's going to the ground and my opponent is going to sleep.

I much prefer elbows for striking. And heel if the hand. I can strike ok with closed fist too but I prefer to get inside on someone and use elbows. Ends fights fast.
 
Apparently everyone knows how to fight, I better carry a small gun or smthg I guess.
 
Just don't mess with Dutch. Seriously.
 
I'm actually shocked he hasn't poked fun at this thread and told us all how he and anyone else who is trained in Krav Maga would destroy these guys.

Haha Krav Maga is no joke though, IMO its somewhere on the borderline of Millitary training and self defense, Some of that stuff is not to be used in street fights, or in a gym.

Krav Maga teaches to kick people in the balls, punch people in the throat, gouge their eyes, also they are not opposed to you just flat out stomping on an assailant when they are down to the ground. theres also a particular throw they teach which produces a very violent landing.. so yeah lol, thats kind of why you dont see many Krav Maga fighters in MMA
 
Haha Krav Maga is no joke though, IMO its somewhere on the borderline of Millitary training and self defense, Some of that stuff is not to be used in street fights, or in a gym.

Krav Maga teaches to kick people in the balls, punch people in the throat, gouge their eyes, also they are not opposed to you just flat out stomping on an assailant when they are down to the ground. theres also a particular throw they teach which produces a very violent landing.. so yeah lol, thats kind of why you dont see many Krav Maga fighters in MMA

That isn't exactly an accurate representation of what krav is about except the military part. Really krav is about ending the confrontation as quickly and decisively as possible. Nothing is taught like eye gouging or whatever just for its own sake but rather as tools in the toolbox to end the fight. Right now.
 
That isn't exactly an accurate representation of what krav is about except the military part. Really krav is about ending the confrontation as quickly and decisively as possible. Nothing is taught like eye gouging or whatever just for its own sake but rather as tools in the toolbox to end the fight. Right now.

Ah i shouldn't have wrote taught (Im far from an expert on the topic), stuff like eye gouging isnt discouraged is what I meant.

I think this thread has convinced me to search for somewhere new to train again, im actually going to look into Grappling and Krav Maga, I live in NY so im sure there's places close, I'd like to master those disarm techniques for sure.

Grappling sounds really badass though, much more so than the BJJ I was doing for a year and a half, I actually stopped because I didn't care to do the competitions that were constantly being pushed.

Is grappling essentially MMA without strikes? Archie/E.J. could you explain a bit how its scored? What are the weight classes like?
 
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