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Omnibus Gordon Hayward Thread (To clean up the Board some)

Hotttnickkk said:
You haven't said why Hayward?



Why not throw the MAX at some other players? Someone like Greg Monroe for example to me is much more deserving than Hayward. You can pair him with Favors, Kanter off the bench. That's a solid 3 man rotation.
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Not a bad idea
 
Half the time I don't really know what to think about Franklin, but I think that was a well-reasoned and supported post. Contracts for young, up-and-coming players are not nearly as toxic as they used to be. I'm not sure if I think he'll get quite that much, but for many of the reasons he mentioned, plus the fact that I think Gordon Hayward is going to thrive under Quin Snyder. . . I see them matching the contract regardless of what it is. Either that, or they'll negotiate one for themselves that both sides essentially think is fair market value.

Of course, Portland threw a MAX offer at Roy Hibbert and Indiana matched it. They can't seem to wait to be out from under that contract and he's one of the top defensive players in the league.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
You haven't said why Hayward?



Why not throw the MAX at some other players? Someone like Greg Monroe for example to me is much more deserving than Hayward. You can pair him with Favors, Kanter off the bench. That's a solid 3 man rotation.
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I'm just not a huge fan of Greg Monroe. I like him, but don't love the idea of having him. He's just not strong enough on defense for a big man to justify that kind of contract - and it's easier to justify a top dollar contract for a big man over a wing IMO.
 
Ellis269 said:
I'm just not a huge fan of Greg Monroe. I like him, but don't love the idea of having him. He's just not strong enough on defense for a big man to justify that kind of contract - and it's easier to justify a top dollar contract for a big man over a wing IMO.
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Monroe won't actually need to be that great defensively next to Favors. He is a great passer of the ball and that's gonna really help Favors getting those easy buckets/dunks.



All I'm saying is I'd much rather have Monroe for MAX than Hayward, and it's not even close.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
You haven't said why Hayward?



Why not throw the MAX at some other players? Someone like Greg Monroe for example to me is much more deserving than Hayward. You can pair him with Favors, Kanter off the bench. That's a solid 3 man rotation.
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Great point. Personally I like Gobert, and I think Hayward is an elite supporting player... does a lot. By the time we land / develop the man, Hayward's contract won't be a lead weight.

I think the Jazz FO realizes this. Let the market dictate his wage, then match. If it's the max so be it.

There is something to be said about letting talent grow together. I want to see that happen here, and think the biggest change we needed was a coach. Let's see his system, then plug in the missing pieces. Maybe the Jazz get lucky and save a million a year on Hayward by going this route.


Summer league Vegas Style needs to start soon. Only so many Hayward conversations we can have.
 
A team can generally afford to have two max players on the team. Do we really think we can be a championship team if one of those slots is used for Hayward? Big deal, so it won't bankrupt the Jazz to pay him max money for 4 years, but then what happens in 4 years? Will he accept a pay cut to re-sign with us or do we let him go? We sure as hell can't re-sign him at max money unless our team is composed of absolute garbage. So what does giving him max money now mean for the team's future? It means nothing since this team isn't going to be anywhere near championship caliber during his 4-year "extension." If Hayward expects a max contract, then the Jazz should cut it losses and send him packing now because he will be too expensive to keep in four years anyway.
 
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Well I guess we get to find out if your right Frank. If the Jazz match that is


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Jazz will match because there is nothing else better to spend money, that is realistically attainable, in the future.

Hayward > Kanter or Burks
 
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My reason:

What else are we going to do with the money?????

It's easy to suggest just going after guys like Parsons, Monroe, etc. But I haven't heard a peep about those players or anyone else showing interest in signing here. Also, we would have to hope that their team doesn't match. I'm pretty sure Detroit will match any number for Monroe. Parsons, we would have to really overpay to get him.

If DL doesn't match, he better have a good idea of who we are getting instead.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Jazz will match because there is nothing else better to spend money, that is realistically attainable, in the future.

Hayward < Kanter or Burks
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Um, I mean I agree with that. But I'm pretty sure YOU meant to turn that hungry alligator the other direction.
 
Jazzfan0124 said:
Did anyone actually read all of that?
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No
The gist of it (i think) was that its no big deal to max hayward..... since its no big deal, we might as well max burks, kanter, evans, and max marvin while we are at it
 
The Utah media has gone into a frenzy using all these points as an excuse to match. Might as well change the title to "Will the Gordon Hayward Experiment Please End" and sticky this as the official grumble pit for the next three years, at which time Hayward will be packaged with the GSW 1st and our own for another superstar.
 
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