The history white people need to learn

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'd really suggest reading the article again-- and as you're doing so, try to understand what the author is trying to "say", instead of focusing on why the author is wrong, or why his arguments have holes.

It's a girl.

 

[Deleted member 848]

It's a girl.

Definitely meant to type she. Friggin touchscreen

 

[fishonjazz]

I'd really suggest reading the article again-- and as you're doing so, try to understand what the author is trying to "say", instead of focusing on why the author is wrong, or why his arguments have holes.

Maybe my reading comprehension sucks. I read the article and thought she was saying that the term white was created as a label for the rich and powerful.

Maybe you can better tell me what she is trying to say in the article

 

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I'd really suggest reading the article again-- and as you're doing so, try to understand what the author is trying to "say", instead of focusing on why the author is wrong, or why his arguments have holes.

Nah bro. We've seen too many political debates

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Maybe my reading comprehension sucks. I read the article and thought she was saying that the term white was created as a label for the rich and powerful.

Maybe you can better tell me what she is trying to say in the article

You read the article or just the blurb that was posted?

 

[fishonjazz]

You read the article or just the blurb that was posted?

Just the part posted in the OP

Can you write a summary of what the article meant to you?

 

[Nate505]

You are allowed to think that, and you are allowed to choose to be wrong. If you go back about 120 years, you'll find drawings illustrating the supposedly ape-like features of the Irish, essays on their low character, etc.

But were they considered white in their time? For example, did they suffer from Jim Crow like blacks did? Did they have to use superstar drinking fountains? Did their children go to separate public schools?

 

[LogGrad98]

Loggrad won't rest until he gets his month to worship mayonnaise, Jimmy Buffet, and watch The Big Bang Theory.

You forgot Warren Buffet (cuz he's rich AND white, duh) and Ted Nugent (gun nut).

BBT on repeat FTW.

 

[♪alt13]

"Black pride", "gay pride", etc. is not about feeling pride per se; it's about rejecting shame. Messages of how black culture is bad, gay people are sinful, etc. reverberate in popular culture; these pride events are saying that people are not ashamed of who they are. It's a public declaration of the rejection of society's messages.

First let's not confuse modern black pride and gay pride. It is legal for me to marry a black woman but it is illegal for me to marry a man of any color. There is no evidence that blacks as a group(a group that black pride is intent on emphasizing) exemplify greater support for gay rights. In fact if we are to believe public opinion polls the opposite is true.

Black pride clearly is about pride. Listen to the rhetoric. Terms like "the white man" are pervasive. Black pride is not addressing a set of higher humanist ideals that apply to all people. It is a singling out. A base urge akin to nationalism whereby people choose to embrace the pride of a constructed group.

Take the word ******. There was a time when the re appropriation of the n word was justifiable. Now the only people that openly use the word are black. A word that is arguably the most offensive word anyone can think of is now used by millions to self identify. A word that has not lost the connotations of slavery, segregation, and racism. ****** is offensive no matter who utters it. It is offensive to humankind.

You think I should kowtow and accept racial derision and devision in 2014? You think I should define myself as "the white man" or a "cracker *** bitch"?

When someone is treated unjustly because of the color of their skin(or sexual orientation, ethnicity, sex, etc.) I will stand by them not for some antiquated notion of pride or some hipster idea of solidarity. I will do it of the idea of personal honor and responsibility that all people have to uphold justice and equitability.

Sooner or later the race baiting has got to stop.

 

[fishonjazz]

First let's not confuse modern black pride and gay pride. It is legal for me to marry a black woman but it is illegal for me to marry a man of any color. There is no evidence that blacks as a group(a group that black pride is intent on emphasizing) exemplify greater support for gay rights. In fact if we are to believe public opinion polls the opposite is true.

Black pride clearly is about pride. Listen to the rhetoric. Terms like "the white man" are pervasive. Black pride is not addressing a set of higher humanist ideals that apply to all people. It is a singling out. A base urge akin to nationalism whereby people choose to embrace the pride of a constructed group.

Take the word ******. There was a time when the re appropriation of the n word was justifiable. Now the only people that openly use the word are black. A word that is arguably the most offensive word anyone can think of is now used by millions to self identify. A word that has not lost the connotations of slavery, segregation, and racism. ****** is offensive no matter who utters it. It is offensive to humankind.

You think I should kowtow and accept racial derision and devision in 2014? You think I should define myself as "the white man" or a "cracker *** bitch"?

When someone is treated unjustly because of the color of their skin(or sexual orientation, ethnicity, sex, etc.) I will stand by them not for some antiquated notion of pride or some hipster idea of solidarity. I will do it of the idea of personal honor and responsibility that all people have to uphold justice and equitability.

Sooner or later the race baiting has got to stop.

Great post

 

[Siro]

I'm very proud of the actions of long dead people who lived in a culture that eventually evolved into the completely different culture I was incidentally born into.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Great post

Not really though.