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Really sad story out of Texas

One man was indicted for murder by a grand jury the other was not. There are striking similarities between the two cases. One man was white the other was black. I think in this instance asking the question whether or not the different results is due to the race of each man is relevant.

more broadly speaking

Blacks are more likely to be convicted of the charges brought against them than whites.
Blacks receive harsher sentences for the same convictions.
Blacks are more likely to be wrongfully convicted than whites.

You can look it all up. Justice in America is Not color blind.
I agree with every point you have made in this post. What I do not agree with is altering the facts when presenting the case. For me it has the opposite effect that I assume the author intended. It makes me feel like I can't trust anything he says.
 
Mental Math Exercise

Agreed. I also think no-knock warrants are pure ********.

That "article" was terrible, by the way. My favorite part was:



Dat bolded part, doe, it changes everything. Anyhow, thanks for the cited "estimates", it really helps paint a picture of cops gone wild. Breaking it down, there are twenty to thirty thousand cities in the United States, (depending on your definition of a city) so you're averaging one to one and a half swat deployments per year across the country. Staggering numbers, really.

Since the number of cities is difficult to quantify, let's just go by the population: There are 314,000,000 people in the United States. That means that the chances of you having a run in with those crazy, racist, shoot first - ask questions later, pig porkers is about 0.0004%. I can totally see why people are outraged and why the media keeps spoon feeding this garbage to stupid people.

So, this is a free tutorial on mental math.

When you have a complex or overwhelming problem, break it into manageable pieces. . . . just like you would when facing a big two pound steak, which I am sure you can readily relate to, with apetite.

If you want "per cent" in the answer, first move the decimal point in the top part, the numerator, two places to the right, and forget it until you write your answer, then write the answer and add "per cent". Or better yet, do it later when you decide to call your answer "per cent".

Your problem is how to reduce 50,000 divided by 314,000,000. And since of course, the thirty million human beings who are totally occluded from American society on account of their status as slaves to billionaire outfits like packing houses and casinos, are never subjected to these raids, we will of course stay with the legal math. . . .

Divide top and bottom of the ratio by 10,000, and you have 5 divided by 31,400. Divide by 5 on top and bottom and you get 1 over. . . .damn there's a hard one, 31400 divide by 5. I don't like fives. tens are easier, so I multiply by two and divide by 10, same thing as dividing by 5, gives me 6280.

one over 6280. hmmmmm. . . . that's bigger than one over 10000, so already I know the answer will be bigger than .0001 smaller than one over 500, so less than .0002. Here's where twelve years in college and five years doing bookkeeping work give me the perfect set of skills for solving a problem. . . . . probably the only place where the Venn Diagram of college quantum mechanics and bookkeeping overlaps. . . .

625 is 25 times 25, btw. And 5/8 is .625 by the way, 6250 is a mere 3 parts of 6250 more than 625. So I'll use the easy number, and add the proportional parts later.

So 6280 on the bottom is the same thing as 5/8 times 10000, plus 3. all on the bottom. I take the 5/8 on the bottom to the top by writing it 8/5, and that gives me 1.6 divide by 10000. That's nearly in decimal form. . . .

.00016, plus that 3 additional parts of the 6250. which is on the order of 1 part of 208.3333, of .00016, added to .00016: slightly more than another .000005. . . .

I don't know if approximation is good enough. . . . doesn't answer in rocket science, but hell, in government work whole orders of magnitude won't make a politician blink.

The answer is .000160513

well, in per cent that would be 0.0160513 per cent. As anyone with marginal common sense and experience in life knows, we're talking about something that will happen in a given year, and over a lifetime, if people live six thousand years, this is something that's gonna happen to you. Over a ten year span, it will happen to one person out of 628. If the exponential increase in the rate continues another ten years, and then the next ten years again, we'll have half our workforce out doing swat no-knocks.

I don't even have a calculator. I'm a slide rule man. Yep, still have in my holster. So you'd better take my word for it.

and trout, if you're still with me, no your humor didn't just go zing over my head.

It's not the imminent fear of a no-knock swat attack on my home that I'd consider in forming my opinions of the police. It's the gung ho newby cops out in the rain running radar and causing traffic accidents as morons hit the brakes on slick roads. Justice Court revenue agents pretending to be "judges" are an indictment against our whole system of government. Government agents out on the highways creating traffic hazards and causing the deaths of motorists, of little babies mind you. . . . . Where are the Ad Council ads showing the mangled babe being pried from the wreckage, invoking in high moralistic tones. "Not one more babe. . . . no not one."

and for any potential future math genius out there, try multiplying my answer by 314,000,000.

The .0001 gives 31,140

The .00006 gives 18,684 adds up to 49,824. Probably already in the range of the statistical confidence level of the 50,000 figure, given errors, unreported stuff, and all that. . . .

The .0000005 gives 156, bringing us up to 49,980.

And the .000000013 gives us the last 20, for 50,000.

I've got a choice. . . . what to do with my life. . . . do math in my head, or jack up some political crusade. . . . .

hey, hey why not just do both.
 
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So, this is a free tutorial on mental math.

When you have a complex or overwhelming problem, break it into manageable pieces. . . . just like you would when facing a big two pound steak, which I am sure you can readily relate to, with apetite.

If you want "per cent" in the answer, first move the decimal point two places to the left, and forget it until you write your answer, then write the answer and add "per cent".

Your problem is how to reduce 50,000 divided by 314,000,000.

Divide top and bottom of the ratio by 10,000, and you have 5 divided by 3,140. Divide by 5 on top and bottom and you get 1 over. . . .damn there's a hard one, 3140 divide by 5. I don't like fives. tens are easier, so I multiply by two and divide by 10, same thing as dividing by 5, gives me 628.

one over 628. hmmmmm. . . . that's bigger than one over 1000, so already I know the answer will be bigger than .001 % small than one over 500, so less than .002%. Here's where twelve years in college and five years doing bookkeeping work give me the perfect set of skills for solving a problem. . . . . probably the only place where the Venn Diagram of college quantum mech and bookkeeping overlaps. . . .

625 is 25 times 25, btw. And 5/8 is .625 by the way, 625 is a mere 3 parts of 625 more than 625. So I'll use and easy number, and add the proportional parts later.

So 628 on the bottom is the same thing as 5/8 times 1000, plus 3. all on the bottom. I take the 5/8 on the bottom to the top by writing it 8/5, and that gives me 1.6 divide by 1000. That's nearly in decimal form. . . .

.0016, plus that 3 additional parts of the 625. which is on the order of 1 part of 208.3333, of .0016, added to .0016: slightly less than another .00006. . . .

I don't know if approximation is good enough. . . . doesn't answer in rocket science, but hell, in government work whole orders of magnitude won't make a politician blink.

The answer is .00160513%

I don't even have a calculator. I'm a slide rule man. Yep, still have in my holster. So you'd better take my word for it.

and trout, if you're still with me, no your humor didn't just go zing over my head.

It's not the imminent fear of a no-knock swat attack on my home that I'd consider in forming my opinions of the police. It's the gung ho newby cops out in the rain running radar and causing traffic accidents as morons hit the brakes on slick roads. Justice Court revenue agents pretending to be "judges" are an indictment against our whole system of government. Government agents out on the highways creating traffic hazards and causing the deaths of motorists, of little babies mind you. . . . . Where are the Ad Council ads showing the mangled babe being pried from the wreckage, invoking in high moralistic tones. "Not one more babe. . . . no not one."

and for any potential future math genius out there, try multiplying my answer by 3,150,000.

The .001 gives 31,150

The .0006 gives 18,690, which adds up to 49,840. Probably already in the range of the statistical confidence level of the 50,000 figure, given errors, unreported stuff, and all that. . . .

The .000005 gives 156, bringing us up to 49,996.

And the .00000013 gives us the last 4, for 50,000.

I've got a choice. . . . what to do with my life. . . . do math in my head, or jack up some political crusade. . . . .

hey, hey why not just do both.
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tl;dr version

Three times as much as E.J. Said

I did that math in my head. 0.00160513/0.0004=3 give or take a few millionths.

Stand by folks...there's been a recount.

In a dramatic reversal turns out E.J OVERESTIMATED the percentage of no-knock warrants by 2.490099929600072 times.
 
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tl;dr version

Three times as much as E.J. Said

I did that math in my head. 0.00160513/0.0004=3 give or take a few millionths.

I had some college professors that a lot of people never could follow. I learned that when I did, their humor was astounding.

you joshing me with that "dr". I bet in your case it was "dnr".
 
EJ's math gave it in "per cent". I think he was just being liberal, in the classic sense, with his humor. He was pretending to be saying one thing while actually saying the other. . . . that's sarcasm, if not funny. Trout is funny.
 

in your wildest dreams, can you just not see the OCD going on here???? Your have engraved my mistake in math for generations to come, in a thread that no one will read outside three weeks except for the zillions of mindless NSA agents glued to their stations listening to internet chatter. . . .

Nobody even read my whole post in the first place, but yegads the whole universe will come crumbling down on me if you don't requote my corrected post, and then add that wonderful pic of me.
 
in your wildest dreams, can you just not see the OCD going on here???? Your have engraved my mistake in math for generations to come, in a thread that no one will read outside three weeks except for the zillions of mindless NSA agents glued to their stations listening to internet chatter. . . .

Nobody even read my whole post in the first place, but yegads the whole universe will come crumbling down on me if you don't requote my corrected post, and then add that wonderful pic of me.
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Back on Topic

Government is like a toxic fart. The reason you don't want a big government is so people can breathe. Government poisons everything it does, and it exaggerates the problems people have.

morons with "there oughtta be a law" mentality have no clue about either juries or judges. It can be statistically proven that the legal profession, and judges in particular, draw from the most inherently vicious and malevolent souls among us. Juries are comprised of morons who imagine $18 for a day sitting in a box in a court is something of a "duty". People who are truly competent in the judgment department just do not show up to compete in the abominal jury-selection charade. . . and then the opposing lawyers both select for the stupidest among them, those they think they can influence their way. . . . .

If you want to rectify injustices for the blacks or any other class of folks who suffer from this system, make fewer laws. Give the police fewer issues to deal with, and eliminate a whole lot of courts.
 
You mean, evidence of black men in Texas who where charged with killing police, convicted, and sentenced to death? I can find that easily enough. Did you have something more specific in mind?

I think he means evidence that every single black man who was accused of this crime was also found guilty and sentenced to death because your post implied that being charged equated to being guilty for black men.

Truly the article does NOT give enough information to draw a conclusion. Maybe once the evidence is examined fully the charges will be dropped in the second case as they were in the first. Also we don't know anything about the guns that were used in the two incidents. Maybe in one situation the gun was owned legally, with appropriate permits or whatever is required and maybe in the other case it was not.
 
Anyway, my point was that what we're seeing with police beefing up their swat teams, gear, and ammo is a result of the times and technology we live in and with.

It also results in escalation by the criminals, as well. Every measure the police can use has a counter-measure.

That said, I can see a limited role for thinks like tanks and body armor. I also think that, when it is available, it tends to be used over-aggressively.
 
HH did not say "I predict that this guy will get the death penalty." He said that the guy was getting the death penalty, and no such situation currently exists.

Just as people will talk about this team or that team winning the championship, before the playoffs even begin.

If I was to play so loosly with the facts on the other side of this argument you'd be the first one to be all over me. Sheesh.

You're right about that, but I would also take into account the general tenor of your post, and if it seemed to be more rant than careful analysis. I would certainly not say that you can't be trusted to present a careful analysis.

However, I also don't think you should ever take anything said by HighlandHomie, or myself for that matter, as being perfectly accurate, either. I'm highly reliable on mathematical topics and database design issues, but have far less expertise anywhere else. You should question what I say, in the sense that it needs to be verified and you'll accept it when it is verified. That's why I wanted to know exactly what you thought needed to verified.

How come you see it as such a burden to be asked for a little bit of intellectual honesty?

I don't. I just wanted to make sure that I knew exactly what you thought was required.
 
I think he means evidence that every single black man who was accused of this crime was also found guilty and sentenced to death because your post implied that being charged equated to being guilty for black men.

Technically, it might be charged, and I'm sure that there are many plea bargains to avoid this. As for the ones that go to trial, I would expect that over 95% result in a capital sentence.

Truly the article does NOT give enough information to draw a conclusion. Maybe once the evidence is examined fully the charges will be dropped in the second case as they were in the first. Also we don't know anything about the guns that were used in the two incidents. Maybe in one situation the gun was owned legally, with appropriate permits or whatever is required and maybe in the other case it was not.

I looked into a few other articles. They been working on this case for five months; I don't think they are going to just drop the charges now.
 
Technically, it might be charged, and I'm sure that there are many plea bargains to avoid this. As for the ones that go to trial, I would expect that over 95% result in a capital sentence.



I looked into a few other articles. They been working on this case for five months; I don't think they are going to just drop the charges now.

Fine, they charge him and he goes thru a trial. Doesn't mean he is convicted.

Also does not mean it is based on racist motivations.
 
Fine, they charge him and he goes thru a trial. Doesn't mean he is convicted.

https://www.bobjarvis.com/Actual-Cases.shtml

Richard Hicks, age 56, was charged with Capital Murder for the death of a Fannin County police officer. ... It was the first time the AG Death Team had ever lost a case.

Care to guess the race of Mr. Hicks?

After searching several pages, I could not find one black person tried for killing a police officer who was not given the death sentence.

Also does not mean it is based on racist motivations.

No one said it was "based on racist motivations". Using that standard is like SCOTUS claiming the only sort of corruption is quid-pro-quo.
 
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