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Cop who oversaw torture of over 100 black men out of jail after less than 4 years

Only 4 years? This guy needs to serve another 20. Good that payments are being made to the victims. Not sure how I feel about the 20+ men still behind bars. Would need a case by case study. Insane.
 
Only 4 years? This guy needs to serve another 20. Good that payments are being made to the victims. Not sure how I feel about the 20+ men still behind bars. Would need a case by case study. Insane.

I was reading more about this case from more reliable news outlets and I don't understand anyone who lives in Chicago. I had always heard how corrupt it is but Jesus Christ.
 
The problem is what he was convicted of. Perjury and obstructing of justice are generally pretty light charges. He should have been convicted of way worse than that.
 
This explains Moe, Ain't, and OneBone.

Sorry Trout, sir, but there Ain't Nuthun' that can explain me.


take that as your first clue...


Besides, I don't think Ain't Hoppin' was from Chicago. But what do I know. Might have even been from the North Shore or something...


Now that other iconic poster, Carolinajazz, I do believe has mentioned he's from Chicago. But that won't explain anything.

I rest my case.
 
And I'll bet a billion bucks that Chicago has better Italian beef sandwiches than Salt Lake City or anywhere in Utah
 
I think this pretty much settles it. All white people are racist. I didn't believe it at first but this story has changed my mind.

Everywhere you look it's racist white pigs.

Alright, so now what do we do?

OB, HH, any suggestions?
 
And I'll bet a billion bucks that Chicago has better Italian beef sandwiches than Salt Lake City or anywhere in Utah

I gave you a rep for this but my stupid phone finished it before I could finish my note. You got that right girlfriend. Italian beef wet is ones of my favorite sandwiches of all time.
 
I think this pretty much settles it. All white people are racist. I didn't believe it at first but this story has changed my mind.

Everywhere you look it's racist white pigs.

Alright, so now what do we do?

OB, HH, any suggestions?

Dont get your panties in a bunch. The fact that politics in Chicago are corrupt hasn't been news since the 1920s. And you gotta keep in mind we get all of the bad news everywhere in the world reported instantly and repeated ad nauseum. Yeah it's absolutely a problem that has to be dealt with but it isn't any chicken little scenario.
 
I've been in the Chicago airport for almost 3 hours and haven't seen a single racist white cop beat any black people. And I have seen 3 white cops and probably 1/4 of the people I've seen are black.
 
Dont get your panties in a bunch. The fact that politics in Chicago are corrupt hasn't been news since the 1920s. And you gotta keep in mind we get all of the bad news everywhere in the world reported instantly and repeated ad nauseum. Yeah it's absolutely a problem that has to be dealt with but it isn't any chicken little scenario.

I know.

I just get tired of racism being thrown around like it's only white people and its all white. I know OB and HH probably don't believe that but it sure comes off that way. Which to me is just a racist as any other racism. It doesn't make any sense to be supposedly fighting against racism, but then just come off as racist doing it.

There are so many good white people out there that want this nonsense to go away just as bad as all the other races.

Most people are good people and aren't racist. It's a small percentage of the population, and comes from every race out there. It just happens to be that people of white skin are more abundant and are in more positions of power, with more money. That stems from a lot of things. One of them is because of discrimination that does really exist, and I acknowledge that. But it mostly because regardless of what's happened in the past and how far we come, no one is just going to just start handing over their businesses, their money, their property, their jobs, etc.. You still have to earn it. White people don't just give other white people money and opportunity just because they are white. They do because they have a business to run and they want to choose the best candidate who has the best talents and who can represent their company in a positive light.

It's a very sad thing and a vicious cycle, but if you are poor, not educated, and you don't act professional then people don't want you working for them. This just happens to be a lot of the black community. But it's still a lot of the white community too. If I own a business and I get two applications and one guy is black man and comes in with a suit and tie and sounds smart, has a good background and so forth, and the other guy is a white guy who dresses like a thug, can't speak English right, sounds like a punk ***, has tattoos on his face and neck, and his job experience and education suck. I'm hiring the black guy every time. You would be stupid not to.

Like I said, it's vicious cycle. You grow up poor, there is a good chance you just turn into a tool with a bad attitude. Ya, white people of the past did cause a lot of this problem, but I don't what someone is supposed to do about just because they are white. It's doesn't seem fair, but ultimately the responsibility is on each individual to turn them into the most valuable person they can become. It isn't my responsibility to take care of someone because they want to pout and blame everyone else for their problems. I grew up as poor as it comes in this country. I've done it all from being on welfare and moving every school year. It was harder than crap to find a way out of it. But it didn't come to me because it was given to me. I earned every ounce of it. It drives me insane for someone to tell me it's only because I'm a privileged white person and it had nothing to do with grinding everyday until worked.

The market place will pay for talent. Plain and simple. If you can make someone some money then they will pay you for it. Should white people start crying racism because most the jobs in sports are given to black people? Where's the huge outcry of racism there, other than the notion it's slavery of some sort? I would love to have one of those jobs. I'll trade the black man my cushy(sarcasm) office job, for his job playing sports and making millions everyday of the week. I'm sure people will scoff at that statement and say that's stupid because only a few rare people get to do that. Well duh, not every white man is rich and has a great job, or owns a business. It's a few rare people. If you want to own a business, stop spending all your time shooting hoops. Bury your head in the books like everyone else has that owns a business and learn how to do it.

This translate to how you are treated by cops too. Ya, there are some racists white cops, and they target minority groups. But I would be willing to bet that they target certain looking white people too. If you look dangerous or suspicious then you'll peak the cops curiosity. If you are mouthy, don't do what the cops says, and make stupid movements, then that's ultimately what gets you. If there is two scenarios where one guy is an older looking black man in a newer car who is with family and is courteous during his traffic stop then I'm less suspicious of him than I am of the young white kid driving his junker, has meth teeth, got a thugish look to him, is combative and so forth. I think what more than anything goes into profiling is image and has less to do with race. Again, I know that their are some dick head racists white pigs, but for the most part, cops are judging the things by the image, the situation, and vibe being put off. I think most people think this in everyday life too. Just like how Mark Cuban explained how he knows he's got some prejudices in him. It's just normal thinking.

So if want to be treated better in society, no matter what color you are, be careful what image you are putting off. If Thug life is important to you and you want to look and act like that, then expect to be rejected by society.

We all go through some sort of abuse by cops at some point or another, some worse than others. Just make the best of the situation by not trying to stand up to the cop to prove he isn't in charge of you. It's never going to do you any good. You can't win.

In the case of Michael Brown, which is what got me in these threads. I looked at what evidence is available. I know it's hard to trust eye witness accounts. All I needed to see was that he just robbed a store, not for food, but for drug paraphernalia. He threatened violence. That's enough for to think that he probably had it coming. And I don't really care what color he was. He was a punk *** and not good for society. It's an isolated incident with its own story, and should be treated as such. It's not big conspiracy against black people.
 
OB, HH, any suggestions?

I try to continually second-guess my reactions. Everyone, regardless of their race, learns messages and shortcuts from the surrounding culture; these messages distort our experience, interpretations, and memories. They become part of our quick-response system, and discarding them means, in part, both forming a habit of thinking twice about your reactions when you can, and trying to re-train yourself.
 
I know.

I just get tired of racism being thrown around like it's only white people and its all white. I know OB and HH probably don't believe that but it sure comes off that way. Which to me is just a racist as any other racism. It doesn't make any sense to be supposedly fighting against racism, but then just come off as racist doing it.

From my point of view, I get tired of white people saying that they understand what racism is, when they have neither experienced it nor studied it, and then expecting everyone else to conform to their particular usage of the term. That they use the term in a way in which they bear no responsibility for racism is, no doubt, just a happy coincidence.

There are so many good white people out there that want this nonsense to go away just as bad as all the other races.

Unless you have some personal stake in it, it is very unlikely you want it to go away as much as someone who does. That's simple human nature.

Most people are good people and aren't racist. It's a small percentage of the population,

Again, as long as you continue with this particular notion of what racism is, you are part of the problem.

White people don't just give other white people money and opportunity just because they are white. They do because they have a business to run and they want to choose the best candidate who has the best talents and who can represent their company in a positive light.

Consistently, white people judge other white people to be better qualified than black people who have basically identical skills and experience.

If I own a business and I get two applications and one guy is black man and comes in with a suit and tie and sounds smart, has a good background and so forth, and the other guy is a white guy who dresses like a thug, can't speak English right, sounds like a punk ***, has tattoos on his face and neck, and his job experience and education suck. I'm hiring the black guy every time. You would be stupid not to.

The issue with racism is what happens when they both wear suits and ties, or both talk like thugs.

I earned every ounce of it. It drives me insane for someone to tell me it's only because I'm a privileged white person and it had nothing to do with grinding everyday until worked.

No one has said you didn't have to work for it. However, if you don't realize that you would have gotten less far, and become less accomplished were you black, then you are deceiving yourself. Your work paid off better because you are white.

Should white people start crying racism because most the jobs in sports are given to black people?

Sports is one of the few areas where black people feel they are given an equal chance for many positions.

So if want to be treated better in society, no matter what color you are, be careful what image you are putting off. If Thug life is important to you and you want to look and act like that, then expect to be rejected by society.

When your skin color has an automatic negative effect on your image, it's something additional you have to overcome every day.

In the case of Michael Brown, ... He was a punk *** and not good for society. It's an isolated incident with its own story, and should be treated as such. It's not big conspiracy against black people.

No one claimed it was a conspiracy, that's your own hurt feeling interjecting things not claimed. However, it's not an isolated incident, and your approval of shooting someone in the process of surrendering belies all of your claims about image you made above. When you put your hands in the air, the image should be that you are giving up. Brown was shot. You have no problem with that. Really, what more needs to be said about you on this topic?
 
From my point of view, I get tired of white people saying that they understand what racism is, when they have neither experienced it nor studied it, and then expecting everyone else to conform to their particular usage of the term. That they use the term in a way in which they bear no responsibility for racism is, no doubt, just a happy coincidence.



Unless you have some personal stake in it, it is very unlikely you want it to go away as much as someone who does. That's simple human nature.



Again, as long as you continue with this particular notion of what racism is, you are part of the problem.



Consistently, white people judge other white people to be better qualified than black people who have basically identical skills and experience.



The issue with racism is what happens when they both wear suits and ties, or both talk like thugs.



No one has said you didn't have to work for it. However, if you don't realize that you would have gotten less far, and become less accomplished were you black, then you are deceiving yourself. Your work paid off better because you are white.



Sports is one of the few areas where black people feel they are given an equal chance for many positions.



When your skin color has an automatic negative effect on your image, it's something additional you have to overcome every day.



No one claimed it was a conspiracy, that's your own hurt feeling interjecting things not claimed. However, it's not an isolated incident, and your approval of shooting someone in the process of surrendering belies all of your claims about image you made above. When you put your hands in the air, the image should be that you are giving up. Brown was shot. You have no problem with that. Really, what more needs to be said about you on this topic?

What about free will? Can't someone choose whether or not they are a racist?
 
From my point of view, I get tired of white people saying that they understand what racism is, when they have neither experienced it nor studied it, and then expecting everyone else to conform to their particular usage of the term...

white people probably should not be part of the conversation at all then
 
What about free will? Can't someone choose whether or not they are a racist?

Free will is very difficult to define. I'm not sure the concept is intelligible. That's a discussion for a different thread, but one I don't object to having.

People respond to their training and background, regardless of free will. Yes, you can try to re-train yourself and later how your background affects you, but it requires positive effort, not passivity.
 
white people probably should not be part of the conversation at all then

Conversations hopefully involve things like listening, asking questions, and attempting to understand. I know it doesn't always seem that way, but I do try to do this. I don't think any white person who listens to people talking about racism, asks questions, and tries to understand the points are asked to leave the general conversation (although in some specific conversations, some questions will detract from the conversation).
 
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