Gay marriage in Utah put on hold

[GVC]

What form of hate is that?

Of bigotry maybe? For shame!

 

[Stoked]

To me he is clearly showing his own bigotry towards religion. You can try to word play and deflect all you want but that is what I see.

Nice attempt though GVC but no.

 

[GVC]

bigotry towards religion.

Is that like bigotry toward fruit loops?

 

[Stoked]

Is that like bigotry toward fruit loops?

This is why people are dimissive towards you.

 

[GVC]

This is why people are dimissive towards you.

meh.

FWIW, OB is clearly stating his disapproval of institutionalized discrimination based on sexual preference/consensual sexual behavior. He's had many respectful discussions about religion in the past. That you're offended says much more about you than it says about him. Take a step back from your knee jerk reaction, and consider his point. Some people don't think "because God says so" is a legitimate/reasonable justification for discrimination.

 

[Edgewriter]

The truth is often distasteful and shameful to those who would prefer it otherwise. Denying gay marriages in temples, churches, cathedrals, etc., is institutionalized bigotry, and having a religious source does not alter that. Bigotry inspired by religious beliefs is still bigotry.

And this type of talk is why I think we will see an ongoing slew of lawsuits after legalization of gay marriage. (again I am not against it. Gay couples getting married is none of my business.)
When the gay activist groups can't cry out against the states and government bans on their marriage rights, who will they have left to go after? You call the temples bastions of bigotry. Sounds like you already have the headlines ready for the ongoing fight to me.

You argue against religious reasons for what you call bigotry. There is where the activists will strike. Gay marriage in temples may not be their first attack, but what about our meeting houses? Again, I'm not a lawyer, but what about individual bishops? It may just take one misstep where one bishop allows the church buildings to be used for a kind of public purpose that gives lawyers a foothold.

All because of people like you who will call it Institutionalized Bigotry and because of a movement that needs a bad guy to fight. Suddenly instead of a force for good, for teaching good values, for helping others, providing disaster relief, Mormons will be portrayed in the media as a bastion of hate.

That's when our religious rights will be at risk.

Now it may seem crazy on the surface to some people but there are real threats here. I'm not saying I believe for sure that this will happen, but I find the possibilities frightening.

 

[fishonjazz]

I think gays are silly and quite often I don't care for how they dress but I'm for anything that rocks the old school establishment because as it turns out, I'm quite the rascal.

 

[♪alt13]

To me he is clearly showing his own bigotry towards religion. You can try to word play and deflect all you want but that is what I see.

Nice attempt though GVC but no.

If you do not believe that the exclusion of gays constitutes bigotry then make that argument.

Religious groups are responsible for the bulk of the negative views and negative treatment towards homosexuals. It is religious people and groups that oppose same sex marriage. It is religious groups that refer to homosexuality as an abomination. What other group is more responsible for the mistreatment and exclusion of gays than religion?

 

[One Brow]

To me he is clearly showing his own bigotry towards religion.

I look at religion like I look at quilting bees or sports bars; if you want to spend your money that way, and you're not using the government to tell my kids they need to join you, it's no skin off my nose. I'd rather spend the money and time playing board games.

My current understanding of you is that you do not hesitate to say a church which bans interracial marriage is embracing bigotry. I am applying the same standard to your church.

 

[One Brow]

And this type of talk is why I think we will see an ongoing slew of lawsuits after legalization of gay marriage. (again I am not against it. Gay couples getting married is none of my business.)

Again: it did not/does not/will not happen to churches that banned/ban/will continue to ban interracial marriages, and it will not happen to the LDS over gay marriage. You have the complete, total right to be as bigoted as you choose while practicing your religion (in the US), and the very worst you will experience is hear a lot of people complain about it.

 

[Stifle Tower]

All because of people like you who will call it Institutionalized Bigotry and because of a movement that needs a bad guy to fight. Suddenly instead of a force for good, for teaching good values, for helping others, providing disaster relief, Mormons will be portrayed in the media as a bastion of hate.

That's when our religious rights will be at risk.

Now it may seem crazy on the surface to some people but there are real threats here. I'm not saying I believe for sure that this will happen, but I find the possibilities frightening.

No it isn't far-fetched. Already lawsuits have been brought against Christian florists, bakeries and photographers for refusing the business of gay and lesbian couples. Compare this to excluding blacks from dining in certain restaurants if you will, but forcing someone to support a practice they morally oppose - or shutter their doors is wrong.

 

[Stoked]

I look at religion like I look at quilting bees or sports bars; if you want to spend your money that way, and you're not using the government to tell my kids they need to join you, it's no skin off my nose. I'd rather spend the money and time playing board games.

My current understanding of you is that you do not hesitate to say a church which bans interracial marriage is embracing bigotry. I am applying the same standard to your church.

Diagreeing and not personally taking part in something does not always equal bigotry and hate. That is the distinction between us. To me it seems like you are saying it is and to me that is no less bigoted than those groups that are doing so out of hate.