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Gay marriage in Utah put on hold

heyhey said:
I think this kind of argument with regards to gay marriage is a bit of a straw man. Those laws can be addressed without banning gay marriage. If people don't like those laws then they should focus on those laws but they shouldn't use them as their reason to oppose others exercising their rights. Further weighing the concerns of the baker against those of the couple it is clear that exclusion from marriage has a greater negative effect on the couple than forced baking for profit has on the baker.
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you must be a man withouth morals and principles.

cus you underestimate what it takes for a man to lose his principles or morals
 
stitches said:
P.S. I can actually see a case where the Muslims might have a case if pork was the only meal that was served in the public school, in which case there would be de facto discrimination, if not in intent - in result(BTW practices can be discriminatory even if you don't intend it, but it results in a protected class suffering adverse impact and is punishable by the same laws - disparate treatment vs disparate impact). In this case the solution would be to either include other types of meal or change the existing one with something that doesn't violate the rights of any protected groups.
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well from living in the netherlands and knowing the way it is in belgium.
I could not eat in the university's cafeteria.
there simple was NOTHING for me to eat. had to either bring stuff from home. or go to vending machine and buy overpriced snicker's.

so if i forgot my home meals. i would live on snickers the whole day or just go home and get it. (speaking from personal jew experience).

also 5-10 years ago pork was basically only meat served. even chicken or beef stuff had the pork mixed in because of it being really cheap compared to chicken and beef. so just ad 20-35% it tastes the same and viola cheap meat.
but now the market set the trend. as in there being a demand for chicken only and beef only meatproducts. even if it is higher priced.

so the FREE market took care of that.

there is even a pizza chain who makes bacon, peperoni and ham from non pork-meats.
 
DutchJazzer said:
you must be a man withouth morals and principles.

cus you underestimate what it takes for a man to lose his principles or morals
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wtf R U talking about?

Imagine if a doctor refused to treat a gay patient, a police officer refused to help a gay citizen, a grocer to sell food to gay customers. There is nothing moral in what the baker was doing. The baker does not need to approve but if that person is moral would serve them regardless.
 
Mmmmm....pork.

Damnit now I need to cook a pulled pork (or 3). Anyone wanna come over? Bring cole slaw, and byob.
 
heyhey said:
wtf R U talking about?

Imagine if a doctor refused to treat a gay patient, a police officer refused to help a gay citizen, a grocer to sell food to gay customers. There is nothing moral in what the baker was doing. The baker does not need to approve but if that person is moral would serve them regardless.
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if a doctor refused to treat a gay patient = Public healthcare, not privatly owned practice.
a police officer refused to help a gay citizen = again a public service paid by gays their tax dollar
a grocer to sell food to gay customers = His perogative it is a private owned businnes.

so in short for doctors refusing should be allowed if its a private practice.
police officer in no way should refuse.
grocer can do whatever the **** he wants, just like a barber, a butcher, a bakery, a photographer.

The baker does not need to approve but if that person is moral would serve them regardless. the baker sees mariage as something between a man and a woman, all other forms of mariage he might deem immoral for whatever reason. so by providing a service to a gay mariage. he might be doing things that do not align with his moral compas.



btw lets put it from another angle.
car dealer sells ford and gmc. but i want hyundai do i bring him to court no.
jsut as a baker is allowed to sell pink cakes white cakes blue cakes strawberry cakes and might not have cakes with 2 dudes on top.
as a baker i would try the loop hole by only offering cakes whats in a catalog. with only certain options changeable. what wont be changeable is the normal couple on top. so a gay is free to buy any cake in my bakery go home and rape it by putting 2 men on top.


not because your molars dont align with the morals of the baker means is immoral.


gays should be free to marry whoever the **** they want. but i wont be attending it. and neither should bakers, photographers and other various PRIVATELY owned services be FORCED to partake with or without financial incentive. because forcing someone to do something is WRONG.
a bussiness owner should have the right to refuse without government taking away his businesses(via licenses etc etc)
 
DutchJazzer said:
if a doctor refused to treat a gay patient = Public healthcare, not privatly owned practice.
a police officer refused to help a gay citizen = again a public service paid by gays their tax dollar
a grocer to sell food to gay customers = His perogative it is a private owned businnes.

so in short for doctors refusing should be allowed if its a private practice.
police officer in no way should refuse.
grocer can do whatever the **** he wants, just like a barber, a butcher, a bakery, a photographer.

The baker does not need to approve but if that person is moral would serve them regardless. the baker sees mariage as something between a man and a woman, all other forms of mariage he might deem immoral for whatever reason. so by providing a service to a gay mariage. he might be doing things that do not align with his moral compas.



btw lets put it from another angle.
car dealer sells ford and gmc. but i want hyundai do i bring him to court no.
jsut as a baker is allowed to sell pink cakes white cakes blue cakes strawberry cakes and might not have cakes with 2 dudes on top.
as a baker i would try the loop hole by only offering cakes whats in a catalog. with only certain options changeable. what wont be changeable is the normal couple on top. so a gay is free to buy any cake in my bakery go home and rape it by putting 2 men on top.


not because your molars dont align with the morals of the baker means is immoral.


gays should be free to marry whoever the **** they want. but i wont be attending it. and neither should bakers, photographers and other various PRIVATELY owned services be FORCED to partake with or without financial incentive. because forcing someone to do something is WRONG.
a bussiness owner should have the right to refuse without government taking away his businesses(via licenses etc etc)
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So you agree that it is a separate issue. Good because that was my main point. The part of my statement that you originally focused on is how you would weigh one against the other. That is to say if the 2 issues are indeed not separable then you have to pick the one that does the least harm.

Also you need to decide if you want a response on what I think should be legal or what I think is moral.
 
I think we should all be allowed to marry who or whatever we want whenever we want and however many we want.

So aren't we also discriminating against polygamists since it is still illegal? Who are we to say how many wives or husbands someone can have? I think we should lift all restrictions on marriage in any way shape or form. I should be allowed to marry a tree, or a pancake, or a chicken if I want to as well. Or all 3. Maybe not with all the benefits of a married life (like tax breaks etc.), but why restrict it. It should be recognized if we so choose.
 
LadyD is very embarrassed he made himself look like a complete *** in this thread. He's negging me so hard right now. Keep it up buddy, I don't give a **** about rep. You still look like a moron in this thread forever. Amateur hour.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
LadyD is very embarrassed he made himself look like a complete *** in this thread. He's negging me so hard right now. Keep it up buddy, I don't give a **** about rep. You still look like a moron in this thread forever. Amateur hour.
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lol
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Keep spreading rep to neg me. I hope all that time and effort make you feel better.

lol.
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I negged you because of your poor attitude - laughing at anyone who has a different viewpoint than your own. Rather than explain your point of view you just laugh and call me stupid. Furthermore, where did anyone prove my idea illogical? Gameface, who actually had a constructive conversation with me - like reasonable people do - didn't realize that a private security firm would not actually be enforcing the law in the scenario I introduced.

I just don't care for your laughing at people who see and think differently than you. That ****'s ****ing ridiculous. Hopefully, that attitude won't continue to keep people from saying what they think for fear of being laughed at by people such as yourself.
 
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