Siblings and parents have inherently unequal power in their relationships by the nature of that relationship.
If you mean me, I have only referred to institutionalized bigotry. I don't recall calling any individual Mormon a bigot.
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Siblings and parents have inherently unequal power in their relationships by the nature of that relationship.
If you mean me, I have only referred to institutionalized bigotry. I don't recall calling any individual Mormon a bigot.
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This is not at all related to my post that I made earlier in this thread, so that's why I am unsure as to what OB (or you) is talking about.
If I decided tomorrow that I was homosexual, and there was nothing in my faith that reconciled my spiritual seekings with my sexual attraction, then I would cease my spiritual obedience to my particular faith. This was my point. One sect of one particular religion disallowing gays to marry shouldn't dissuade gay citizens. If a Christian think it's stupid that I don't drink, I really don't give a ****. As long the discrimination isn't systemic, and I am allowed to practice in peace without persecution, I really don't care.
The opposition is the same.
Oh, so this goes back to "it's not prejudice if I say it comes from faith". Yeah, I don't think I feel like having this conversation again.
Perhaps you have in mind some form of discrimination not rooted in bigotry? Or, were you planning on discussing some hypothetical difference with no real-world examples?
If a person genuinely believes in the doctrines of the LDS and is gay, telling them that they can shop around for another religion comes across as insensitive and cavalier.
No need to be snappy. What I meant was, the word bigoted does imply hate. It is a loaded word. The more appropriate word to use in this context is prejudiced or discriminatory. For example, affirmative action is discriminatory, but it is not bigoted. Some countries even disallow such practices for being examples of "positive discrimination".
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I'm not saying it isn't prejudice. I just think that the unique feature of there being thousands of faiths, cults, sects, and America's idealized, secular conception of being able to practice any one of them so long as they don't infringe on certain tenets of society, means that the prejudiced, or bigoted views of a given sect shouldn't have the potency to really impact the life of a given individual. I know many homosexual individuals who feel this way.
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If they want the group-dynamic of LDS-lifestyle along with being able to have homosexual relations, I would tell them to consider starting an off-sect of LDS faith that includes homosexual reconciliation if it doesn't already exist-- this is how literally every offshoot, sect, or cult is formed. Not sure how this is insensitive and cavalier. God Bless America.
But isn't this what OB is saying? The church has the right to disallow gay marriage. But since that is not justified with a rational argument with axioms we can all agree upon, it is fair to say that their position is discriminatory. Given the general pattern of human social progress, the position will be judged as such in retrospect.
On the topic of sibling marriage, briefly:
Even if one sibling were adopted, and not biologically related at all, I would opposed to the sibling marriage because of the unequal power structures of those entering the marriage. By contrast, I agree with stitches that if biological siblings were raised apart and were not going to have children, I don't have an objection to that marriage.
Even if one sibling were adopted, and not biologically related at all, I would opposed to the sibling marriage because of the unequal power structures of those entering the marriage. By contrast, I agree with stitches that if biological siblings were raised apart and were not going to have children, I don't have an objection to that marriage.
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Which comes full-cicle: I have no idea why OB quoted a post of mine arguing a point that I never really talked about in this thread.