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Hekate said:
I am not sure yet if Haywards game is tailored for Quin's offense or Quin's offense is tailored to Hay's game. As much as we have been good with Hay on the floor, we are almost as bad when he isn't on the floor. I see some valid points in Magic's posts. We are highly dependent on one player for a developing team. It may be because Burks and Burke sucks and Kanter can't find playing time because of defense but I think we will have a better idea as season goes on.
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I think Hayward is exactly the type player for Quinn's system. The problem is that Burks and Burke might not be a great fit. You have to knock down shots because Quinn's offense gives you wide open shots. The only reason why we were highly dependent as you say, is because other players didn't step up. There have been plenty games where other players provide more balance. Unfortunately, our other players are inconsistent.
 
Is the question in the thread-should a wing player ever create offense? Because looking at most of the best teams in the league the answer is yes.

I feel like all of best young players are getting plenty of opportunities. Exum is getting several assists a game and he isn't ready to try and make game winning plays. Burke trying to make crunch time plays and he is failing.
 
cowhide said:
The only two guys who should have shot the ball were Hayward and Kanter in this game. You go with the hot hand. I don't think you are stopping anyone's development by allowing the hot hand to shoot in one game.
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And I disagree with this logic. If we were contending for a championship, then yes I would say it'd be fine for everything to go through Hayward starting as early as the third quarter. But we are nowhere near competing for a championship, so I'd rather have the team struggle initially but ultimately learn how to play without relying solely on Hayward. We need to develop at least one or two more stars to have a chance at competing for a championship. Hayward will get plenty of opportunities to take over games in the 4th quarter. I just think applying this strategy in the 3rd quarter is too early. Lastly, allowing the hot hand to shoot and having everything go through Hayward early on are two different concepts.
 
Magic I think you are off on this one. First, one of Exums weaknesses is that he doesn't handle pressure very well bringing the ball up the floor. By allowing G to do this it gives him one less think to worry about in this early part of his development. Second All Hayward is doing is bringing the ball up and passing. Exum doesn't just go stand, he is moving and touches the ball on almost every possession. In this offense almost every play touches the ball before we take a shot. Exum is being brought along much faster than expected right now. There is no reason to throw more at him right now that might shake the confidence he has gained playing as well as he has so far. No need to throw him to the wolves yet. Let him keep getting that confidence up little by little


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This isn't wasn't what I thought the thread would be about.

I thought it was gonna be something a long the lines of what a waste of time it was to play all the veteran scrubs the last few years over the guys who are on the team now, like Kanter. Our core players have been in the league a few years now and it still seems like they are rookies just starting out.

Funny thing is, we are handing out fat contracts to players we aren't even sure how good they are. It's something a lot of us predicted years ago would be a problem.

Good thing we gave all those minutes to players not on the team anymore. That really worked out great for us.
 
Hack said:
Good thing we gave all those minutes to players not on the team anymore. That really worked out great for us.
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You say that as if, had we played Kanter an extra 1000 minutes last year, we'd have a better idea of how good he would become. I disagree. Dedicated players continue to add to their skillset every year. At this stage of Millsap's career, even with him having played fairly good minutes, few people were talking All-Star.
 
Hack said:
This isn't wasn't what I thought the thread would be about.

I thought it was gonna be something a long the lines of what a waste of time it was to play all the veteran scrubs the last few years over the guys who are on the team now, like Kanter. Our core players have been in the league a few years now and it still seems like they are rookies just starting out.

Funny thing is, we are handing out fat contracts to players we aren't even sure how good they are. It's something a lot of us predicted years ago would be a problem.

Good thing we gave all those minutes to players not on the team anymore. That really worked out great for us.
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Mmm hmmm
 
One Brow said:
You say that as if, had we played Kanter an extra 1000 minutes last year, we'd have a better idea of how good he would become.
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I think if we played kanter more during his first 3 years (and experimented with things like letting him shoot 3pt shots) we would have a better idea of his value/worth..... it would not be a complete picture, since like you said.... players continue working on thier game.... but we would know more than we do now imo
 
fishonjazz said:
I think if we played kanter more during his first 3 years (and experimented with things like letting him shoot 3pt shots) we would have a better idea of his value/worth..... it would not be a complete picture, since like you said.... players continue working on thier game.... but we would know more than we do now imo
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conclusion - **** corbin
 
fishonjazz said:
I think if we played kanter more during his first 3 years (and experimented with things like letting him shoot 3pt shots) we would have a better idea of his value/worth..... it would not be a complete picture, since like you said.... players continue working on thier game.... but we would know more than we do now imo
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I will grant you that we, the fans, would know more. The organization, not as much.
 
One Brow said:
I will grant you that we, the fans, would know more. The organization, not as much.
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True, since they see practices and other things we miss out on
 
One Brow said:
You say that as if, had we played Kanter an extra 1000 minutes last year, we'd have a better idea of how good he would become. I disagree. Dedicated players continue to add to their skillset every year. At this stage of Millsap's career, even with him having played fairly good minutes, few people were talking All-Star.
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So what you are saying is, there is no difference between sitting on the bench an hands on training?

Right.
 
Hack said:
So what you are saying is, there is no difference between sitting on the bench an hands on training?

Right.
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Sitting on the bench does not eliminate hands-on training, it changes the location and focus of that training.
 
One Brow said:
Sitting on the bench does not eliminate hands-on training, it changes the location and focus of that training.
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Silly me. I should take a better look at the bench as they are clearly gaining hands on experience dribbling the basketball, setting screens, etc. They're just doing it on the bench and not on the court. What was I thinking?
 
fishonjazz said:
I think if we played kanter more during his first 3 years (and experimented with things like letting him shoot 3pt shots) we would have a better idea of his value/worth..... it would not be a complete picture, since like you said.... players continue working on thier game.... but we would know more than we do now imo
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Given Kanter's experience and time with the game, it would have been like putting you in front of a computer and told to develop software and expect you to learn from it. Can't learn from failure unless you know why you're failing.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Given Kanter's experience and time with the game, it would have been like putting you in front of a computer and told to develop software and expect you to learn from it. Can't learn from failure unless you know why you're failing.
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Actually i kinda remember kanter being a better rebounder, post defender and even better passer during his first couple of years in the league than he is today.

Maybe riding the pine killed his confidence over his rookie contract. I think different players are affected differently by not playing. Maybe kanter would have been one of those players that learns better by playing, and being encouraged, than by sitting on the bench and being punished for every mistake.

I have no idea either way.... But its something to think about
 
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