Development Concerns

[Stifle Tower]

I disagree, I think management would disagree, and I think the majority of fans especially the casual fan would disagree.

Having hayward play point forward to try and take over a game a handful of plays here and there is a good thing for HIS development, and we have a huge investment in him. A much bigger investment then what we have in Exum, or anyone else on the team for that matter. The Jazz are paying him huge money NOW, not huge money later on. His development is the top priority. It also helps us get wins which is what everyone wants right now. It's not like we are using Richard Jefferson to try and win games we are using ONLY important pieces to this team to win games. All of the most important roles on the team right now are being filled with core players. Zero outside vets are being used to try and help this team win.

This. Hayward is not only leading the team in PPG, but also assists. The idea is to make passes to open players to get baskets. With the exception of a couple of games (Dallas and Indiana), Trey has had terrible assist totals. If we need to run the offense with a point forward, then let's do it!

 

[LjJazzman]

How about you try reading my entire beginning post instead of just one section of it. I said that while Hayward playing point guard starting since 3rd quarter might make the game somewhat competitive, we will still lose the game. And that's exactly what happened in the Indiana game and in a couple of other games.

So I'm saying instead of just relying on Hayward and losing games, that all our players learn to play together, even if that initially means losing games by more points.

How did that go toward us losing the game? I hope you realize that we did great when hayward was leading the charge, and we lost the game when Hayward came out and Exum and Trey were running things. We are 100% playing together, and even when Hayward is handling the ball a lot he distributes, its not like he is a selfish player. He scored 30 points on only 15 shots, far from a self game. There is no way you can make an argument that we weren't playing as a team because of Hayward.

I think you argument that we are not developing players because Hayward is playing point forward is absolutely ludicrous.

 

[magic]

How did that go toward us losing the game? I hope you realize that we did great when hayward was leading the charge, and we lost the game when Hayward came out and Exum and Trey were running things. We are 100% playing together, and even when Hayward is handling the ball a lot he distributes, its not like he is a selfish player. He scored 30 points on only 15 shots, far from a self game. There is no way you can make an argument that we weren't playing as a team because of Hayward.

I think you argument that we are not developing players because Hayward is playing point forward is absolutely ludicrous.

Well true Hayward did not take every shot and run every play in the 4th quarter, but he did run the majority of plays and we still lost. And I never said it went towards losing the game, I just said it wasn't enough to win.

And I don't think you've been watching the same games as I have, because when Hayward plays the point it has a completely different dynamic. And it's not ludicrous at all. By having Hayward play the point, Dante is designated to standing in the corner and not developing his point guard skills. Moreover,unlike how someone pointed out that's a good idea, it really isn't because Exum is shooting only 30% from the 3 point line.

 

[candrew]

Hayward goes long pockets without touching the ball - might have been The Pistons game where he went the entire first period with maybe 2 or 3 touches. Jazz should run everything through him like Harden with the Rockets - I'm excited about QS's motion offense but Hayward should be featured - at least until Burke learns to use his driving skills to dish out and make other players around him better.

 

[Ellipse]

We are trying to build a competitive team from the young players we drafted and acquired over the last 5 years. If the best team we can field is centered around Hayward playing point forward, then the other players need to adjust their games accordingly. I haven't seen any evidence of Hayward hogging the ball or freezing out other players. In fact, I am more concerned about Burke and Burks doing that than Hayward. As for Exum, his game is coming along nicely and I love how he plays when he and Hayward are on the floor together.

The player's roles are evolving under Quin, as each find their niche in his system. Why don't we let the season play out and see where we are after 40 games.

 

[freakazoid]

Wow.

 

[Hekate]

I am not sure yet if Haywards game is tailored for Quin's offense or Quin's offense is tailored to Hay's game. As much as we have been good with Hay on the floor, we are almost as bad when he isn't on the floor. I see some valid points in Magic's posts. We are highly dependent on one player for a developing team. It may be because Burks and Burke sucks and Kanter can't find playing time because of defense but I think we will have a better idea as season goes on.

 

[cowhide]

How about you try reading my entire beginning post instead of just one section of it. I said that while Hayward playing point guard starting since 3rd quarter might make the game somewhat competitive, we will still lose the game. And that's exactly what happened in the Indiana game and in a couple of other games.

So I'm saying instead of just relying on Hayward and losing games, that all our players learn to play together, even if that initially means losing games by more points.

We lost the Indiana game because other guys couldn't make shots, we couldn't get a key rebound and we couldn't stop AJ Price. Without Hayward playing well the Jazz had no chance to be in the game. The only two guys who should have shot the ball were Hayward and Kanter in this game. You go with the hot hand. I don't think you are stopping anyone's development by allowing the hot hand to shoot in one game. I think playing Trey too much is hurting Exum development at PG. I think Exum not being in shape hurts his development. I think your concerns are misguided.

 

[cowhide]

I am not sure yet if Haywards game is tailored for Quin's offense or Quin's offense is tailored to Hay's game. As much as we have been good with Hay on the floor, we are almost as bad when he isn't on the floor. I see some valid points in Magic's posts. We are highly dependent on one player for a developing team. It may be because Burks and Burke sucks and Kanter can't find playing time because of defense but I think we will have a better idea as season goes on.

I think Hayward is exactly the type player for Quinn's system. The problem is that Burks and Burke might not be a great fit. You have to knock down shots because Quinn's offense gives you wide open shots. The only reason why we were highly dependent as you say, is because other players didn't step up. There have been plenty games where other players provide more balance. Unfortunately, our other players are inconsistent.

 

[Qman]

Is the question in the thread-should a wing player ever create offense? Because looking at most of the best teams in the league the answer is yes.

I feel like all of best young players are getting plenty of opportunities. Exum is getting several assists a game and he isn't ready to try and make game winning plays. Burke trying to make crunch time plays and he is failing.

 

[magic]

The only two guys who should have shot the ball were Hayward and Kanter in this game. You go with the hot hand. I don't think you are stopping anyone's development by allowing the hot hand to shoot in one game.

And I disagree with this logic. If we were contending for a championship, then yes I would say it'd be fine for everything to go through Hayward starting as early as the third quarter. But we are nowhere near competing for a championship, so I'd rather have the team struggle initially but ultimately learn how to play without relying solely on Hayward. We need to develop at least one or two more stars to have a chance at competing for a championship. Hayward will get plenty of opportunities to take over games in the 4th quarter. I just think applying this strategy in the 3rd quarter is too early. Lastly, allowing the hot hand to shoot and having everything go through Hayward early on are two different concepts.

 

[franklin]

Armchair development specialists are firing the engine up early this year.