Development Concerns

[One Brow]

And practices are the same as games, so there's that.

I've heard they are so remarkably different that coaches never, ever use how a player performs in practice to determine if they are ready to play in a game.

 

[magic]

Sitting on the bench does not eliminate hands-on training, it changes the location and focus of that training.

Silly me. I should take a better look at the bench as they are clearly gaining hands on experience dribbling the basketball, setting screens, etc. They're just doing it on the bench and not on the court. What was I thinking?

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I think if we played kanter more during his first 3 years (and experimented with things like letting him shoot 3pt shots) we would have a better idea of his value/worth..... it would not be a complete picture, since like you said.... players continue working on thier game.... but we would know more than we do now imo

Given Kanter's experience and time with the game, it would have been like putting you in front of a computer and told to develop software and expect you to learn from it. Can't learn from failure unless you know why you're failing.

 

[fishonjazz]

Given Kanter's experience and time with the game, it would have been like putting you in front of a computer and told to develop software and expect you to learn from it. Can't learn from failure unless you know why you're failing.

Actually i kinda remember kanter being a better rebounder, post defender and even better passer during his first couple of years in the league than he is today.

Maybe riding the pine killed his confidence over his rookie contract. I think different players are affected differently by not playing. Maybe kanter would have been one of those players that learns better by playing, and being encouraged, than by sitting on the bench and being punished for every mistake.

I have no idea either way.... But its something to think about

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Actually i kinda remember kanter being a better rebounder, post defender and even better passer during his first couple of years in the league than he is today.

Maybe riding the pine killed his confidence over his rookie contract. I think different players are affected differently by not playing. Maybe kanter would have been one of those players that learns better by playing, and being encouraged, than by sitting on the bench and being punished for every mistake.

I have no idea either way.... But its something to think about

Kanter use to play better post defense, he was always awful at everything else though. People got excited because he hedged a couple of pick n rolls too hard and mistook it for him having quick feet.

He couldn't even perform passes his 1st year other than dribble hand-offs.

Rebounding goes down for pretty much everyone when minutes rise. Favors and Kanter are both above average rebounders as starters, but not by a lot.

 

[freakazoid]

Given Kanter's experience and time with the game, it would have been like putting you in front of a computer and told to develop software and expect you to learn from it. Can't learn from failure unless you know why you're failing.

I would have been happy if Corbin had just committed to leaving him in when he was playing well, rotations be damned. That alone could have made a big difference in building his confidence.

 

[Hotdog]

I don't get why some of these organizations do what they do with their newly drafted players. Especially high picks.

If you use a 3rd round pick on a project big, I would think you would sacrafice some wins in order to teach and develop your new players. I understand if you are pretty good and you don't want to do that. But the Jazz were clearly not a contender. They were a playoff appearance hopeful with Jefferson at the helm.

The Jazz should have either traded Al and Paul and went into full rebuild mode, or trade Favors and Kanter and try to go into full contention mode. Instead, they rode the middle and got little to nothing out of it. They just wasted a bunch of time and valuable learning experience for their high draft picks. Can you imagine where the team might be had they traded Al and Paul for some picks, combined with a couple more losing seasons and the draft picks we would have gained from that? We certainly would have more assets right now, and would be in a much better position, and further ahead in where our team would be. Instead, we made the playoffs one year and had to give our pick to Minnesota and watched Golden State keep their pick. If we lose a bunch of games that year, we probably end up with a high pick, and bump Golden State out of that top8 protection zone and get both of those picks in a very deep draft. The draft where Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard and bunch of other studs were drafted. SMH!!

I don't get the thinking. These are complex human beings that are a work in progress. What you do with them will change, make or break who they become. I don't think it's a good idea to just expect them to figure it out on their own. We are just now implementing developmental coaches and making an effort to develop these players?? How in the world do you not think of this when these players are so young and in the stages of life where they can make huge strides in learning if you put the time into them. Seriously, how is it even a surprise that these players are behind in their development when it was put off for so long?

I could rant on this forever. I can't wrap mind around the thinking. I suppose it all boils down to money and attendance, and some business owners don't want to wait or take chances. But a good business owner should know the importance of proper investing. There was no investment in Kanter. He was just supposed to figure it out on his own, and they expected him to. If it's my team, I'm finding a way get him up to speed. I wouldn't leave it up to him. I wouldn't take the chance that it will come easy to him or he will have a great work ethic.

I think a lot of people make the mistake of thinking these guys have a preordained destiny and will be good if they are meant to be good. I don't believe in that.


The Jazz handled the last few years, up until last year, like crap tbh. And this isn't hindsight is 20/20. A lot of people questioned the decisions and direction of the team.

Don't get me wrong I'm still excited about what we got, but it could have been so much better had the Jazz not rode the fence during this process.

 

[freakazoid]

Can you imagine where the team might be had they traded Al and Paul for some picks, combined with a couple more losing seasons and the draft picks we would have gained from that? We certainly would have more assets right now, and would be in a much better position, and further ahead in where our team would be..

I agree that it was a HUGE missed opportunity, however, I do understand it from a business perspective. Season ticket holders would have been pissed, which could backfire in a big way if you gamble and the team still bottoms out anyway. As someone who doesn't live in Utah, I wish they had said **** the ticket holders(sorry guys).
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I think a lot of us got our hopes up because of the Deron trade. That was a gutsy move, and I know I was really hoping they'd make one more. Even I don't think it would have been realistic to dump both Al and Sap, but I do believe they could have sold the fans on some B.S. to justify moving one of them. Everyone wanted Al moved, but in hindsight, the homerun would have been Sap. He was on a great contract, and there's no doubt Utah could have snagged a decent pick by taking back garbage. If that happens, odds are good we keep both picks, and they're top ten. The difference between that situation and coming away with Burke is a **** ton of value in assets. I'm convinced we're already back in the playoffs if that's how it had played out.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Given Kanter's experience and time with the game, it would have been like putting you in front of a computer and told to develop software and expect you to learn from it. Can't learn from failure unless you know why you're failing.

He can't pass. If Kanter hasn't mentally recognized that yet, then damn. If he wanted more minutes he should of played European ball in the summer or never gone to UK.