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QuinSnydersHair
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Is this thread title supposed to be funny? Because it's nothing less than disgusting.
The Blue Elephant
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I thought for sure heavenharris made the thread.
♪alt13
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No it's not supposed to be funny it's supposed to give real faces to such a statement. Read the link, the second post, and Jazzfanz general discussion for context.
That's a great narrative. Of course, just a few hours earlier, the guy shot his girlfriend. I'm sure that was from all the anti-cop rhetoric as well, right?
I'm sure you would be perfectly happy if all the people unhappy with police discrimination would just pipe down. However, last I checked, the police worked for the citizens, not the other way around, and their job does not come with immunity from criticism. You can't use a tragedy to justify keeping people silent about injustice, sorry.
"What I see as" a highly disturbed man with violent tendencies, "you see as" the result of protests and rhetoric.
Isn't it interesting that, all of a sudden, you understand that words have power, culture influences people, and that a social dynamic exists?
Here's another good one:
"Want to not get shot by" black criminals? "The answer is a lot simpler than you all are making it out to be:" don't shoot innocent black people!
How about:
"Do you disagree with the statement that" groups who regularly shoot innocent black people "have a better chance of being shot by" violently disturbed criminals "than those who don't?"
Presumably addressed to one particular poster who is banned right now.
♪alt13
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I wasn't aware that he was banned.
When I heard about this incident it did make me think about: social media, when we should take people seriously, if and when we should contact someone about it.
I want to be clear that I'm not talking about just cops. It could be any group or person in the spotlight. When that thing at Utah state happened a lot of things were said on here but I don't remember anyone actually advocating for the death of Sarkisian(I think I spelled that wrong) or feminists in general. I imagine if there had been that reaction, especially if it had been this persistent, I may have had the same concerns.
I am not a psychologist. I don't know the warning signs. I don't know whether someone should be taken seriously or if they are just blowing off harmless steam on the interwebs. Is there a certain point where an online community has any responsibility to report about people that may be unstable?
Maybe I am drawing parallels that aren't there and honestly I probably am but it is a conversation people should probably start having.
Definitely agree he was a highly disturbed, angry and violent individual...
I also think that his actions could very well have been fueled in part by the constant depictions of societal anger as reflected in the recent demonstrations and protests taking place across the country.
whether or not he personally had any real animosity towards police may be secondary to whatever caused him to take the actions he took and it seems likely to me that the "protests and rhetoric" could have played a role
don't dismiss it out of hand...
fallenchicken
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I don't understand why we and our media gives credence to the ideals of mad gunmen. Doesn't taking their manifestos seriously just give them what they want? We shouldn't let a killer set the discussion. The killer's motives are not representative of the larger protests, and they certainly should not be a talking point for fox news.
I'm not. that's why I said:
The sentences I gave with quotes was taking E. J. Wells' arguments and using their forms to argue what he doesn't want to acknowledge, not a serious attempt at argument on my part.
That was my intent, frankly. That's how I feel when you fling similarly constructed nonsense at me.
At the same time, the ideas that madmen draw upon have their beginnings in the surrounding culture, and they are madmen because of where they take those ideas, not because they invent them. There rantings are a fun house mirror distortion of the ideas of society.
One bad cop = they're all racist pigs.
One cop hater = he's a highly disturbed man.
That kind of ******** thinking sounds familiar...
Witness to Brown slaying says Brown attacked the cop = In cahoots with corrupt police, who just shoot black people for fun and can't be trusted. (You're not black, so you're wrong, duh.)
Same police discredit witness to Brown's slaying = Dude, even the cops say she's a bad witness, and the cops don't ever lie. Ever. (I saw some black people in church once, so I know.)
One cop hater = he's a highly disturbed man.
That kind of ******** thinking sounds familiar...
Witness to Brown slaying says Brown attacked the cop = In cahoots with corrupt police, who just shoot black people for fun and can't be trusted. (You're not black, so you're wrong, duh.)
Same police discredit witness to Brown's slaying = Dude, even the cops say she's a bad witness, and the cops don't ever lie. Ever. (I saw some black people in church once, so I know.)
QuinSnydersHair
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Baptist I presume?
Baptist I presume?