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2 year old toddler dead after shooting himself with his father's handgun.... in USA yet again.
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USA can't even do anything in Vietnam. If you think in a event of war you would even make a dent in China or Russia you guys are delusional. USA maybe best equipped at defending its own territory but when it comes to occupying and defeating the country all your technology would be useless. China would beat you in its own territory on man power alone. Same what happened to Nazi's in USSR in 40's....they had better and way more technology yet Soviets prevailed due to sheer numbers.
The U.S. could destroy any other nation's military. Occupying and controlling civilians is not the same as defeating that nation's military capability.
The U.S. military is the most capable destructive force the world has ever seen. That is completely different than the ability to oppress populations. Of course, if we just didn't care we could kill all the civilians and claim victory...kind of like how they did things 1000 years ago.
The U.S. military is the most capable destructive force the world has ever seen. That is completely different than the ability to oppress populations. Of course, if we just didn't care we could kill all the civilians and claim victory...kind of like how they did things 1000 years ago.
One little factoid I like to point out, MVP, is that the U.S. Air Force is the largest air force in the world. The U.S. Navy is the second largest air force in the world.
There are only a small handful of nations that have a larger air force than a single U.S. supercarrier.
Not only does the U.S. have more military stuff than anyone else, ours is top shelf.
Not only does the U.S. have more military stuff, but we have been using our military stuff consistently since the end of WWII. Our military has field experience at every level. No other world power has "practiced" using it's military in actual combat more (or even close) than the U.S. military. U.S. military power is no paper tiger. It is real, it has experience, it has dedication and it has the money and equipment to make it all work.
If you think China's military could stand toe to toe with the U.S. military you are just hating on the U.S..
There are only a small handful of nations that have a larger air force than a single U.S. supercarrier.
Not only does the U.S. have more military stuff than anyone else, ours is top shelf.
Not only does the U.S. have more military stuff, but we have been using our military stuff consistently since the end of WWII. Our military has field experience at every level. No other world power has "practiced" using it's military in actual combat more (or even close) than the U.S. military. U.S. military power is no paper tiger. It is real, it has experience, it has dedication and it has the money and equipment to make it all work.
If you think China's military could stand toe to toe with the U.S. military you are just hating on the U.S..
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Both Russia and China have more manpower than USA. Combined it is very significant advantage. Nate said that USA is so much better than 10 top militaries combined which is far from truth.... add 8 top militaries to China and Russia and USA has no chance in imaginary scenario of all of them joining in war vs USA excluding nuke.
There is no doubt USA has most advanced technology and spends most money on military in the world. But it is not as dominant as Nate imagines.
Really...I pointed out the carriers already. The US has more of them, and they are all more technologically advanced than every other country in the world put together. Last time I looked carriers are pretty much the standard in naval capital ships. I don't have the numbers for nuclear subs but my guess is the US has the most advanced and more of them than anyone else combined either.
The US would decimate their Navies in a matter of days. Absolutely decimate them. It wouldn't be a contest. It would be like a middle school girls team against the 96 Bulls.
Once their naval power is done, they have no way to project any power. They can bunker down in their countries while we bomb the ever living hell out of them, but that's about it.
Of course this scenario doesn't take nukes into account, and the world is pretty much toast if that ever happens. Though the US has the largest stockpile of nukes as well.
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Russia and China's military strength has had massive growth in the last few years. This site shows general strength, no idea how accurate it is. If Russia, China and India teamed up against us, we would be proper ****ed.
Defeating the country is easy. Occupying it is much harder, and honestly pointless. Why would any modern country want to occupy any other country? The aim today is to just install a puppet government and control the resources if you're going to war with a country.
You know one reason the Soviets prevailed on the Eastern Front? Part of it was the Arsenal of Democracy. And at that time, the Arsenal is child's play compared to what it is now.
It's not even close. Their strength is in manpower. Our strength is in the military superiority of our armed forces. If air power is the critical factor of modern warfare none of those countries come close to touching what we have. It's not even in the same ball park.
I seriously think you've all been deluded into seeing how much trouble occupying a country is into believing that that factor equates into conquering a country. Iraq was conquered in a week.
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I guess the question is who is attacking who? Much easier to defend than try to take over. However, a coordinated offensive by these countries would be hard to stop. We have more aircraft carriers, but Russia doea not need them to hit us via air. And combined I believe the three countries have more fighter jets. Then again, we have Batman.
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Iraq was nothing compared to China, Russia or even India.
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So maybe you should look at numbers? India, Russia and China combined would have twice as many subs as USA. And funny but N.Korea has more subs than any other country in the world.
https://www.globalfirepower.com/navy-submarines.asp
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Globalfirepower.com shows we have more carriers and total aircraft, but fewer fighters. If they can get a hold in the PNW, they could launh a massive offensive from there, except we all have guns to fight back. 'Merica.
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Not according to this. Combined top 10 countries would have 8 x more naval power than USA. Good luck vs that.
https://www.globalfirepower.com/navy-ships.asp
According to wikipedia, which is never wrong, the US has 2407 fighters. Russia/China/India has 2430, so I guess they do have 23 more fighters.
But numbers are only half the equation. The US fighters are just much better and much newer than the Russian ones. Most of their fighters are still from the Soviet Union days. Same with the bombers. That goes for the other 2 countries as well...they just aren't on our level technologically yet. However, in the future that gap could decrease as technology becomes cheaper and easier to produce across the board.
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Let's go to war to see who is right. We should take out Canada as a warm-up.
Hahahahahahahahahaha...those numbers don't mean much
I hate to break it to you, but not all ships are created equal.
Let's break down North Korea's Navy vs. the United States', using that link.
North Korea:
Total Naval Strength: 1,061
Aircraft Carriers: 0
Frigates: 4
Destroyers: 0
Corvettes: 6
Submarines: 78
Coastal Defense Craft: 528
Mine Warfare: 23
Their Navy is pretty much locked into coastal defense craft.
The United States:
Aircraft Carrier value does not include dedicated "helicopter carrier" vessels. Total naval strength includes all known auxiliaries as well.
Total Naval Strength: 473
Aircraft Carriers: 10
Frigates: 15
Destroyers: 62
Corvettes: 0
Submarines: 72
Coastal Defense Craft: 13
Mine Warfare: 13
One massive number that stands out there...aircraft carriers. I hate to keep harping on it, but carriers define Naval Strength. Next in line is submarines and destroyers. Notice the "0" number for North Korean destroyers. And while they have a large number of subs, they are like a toy compared to the Ohio Class nuclear subs the US possesses. Their most popular sub has a displacement of 370 tons. The Ohio class sub has a displacement of 18,750 tons. They aren't in the same stratosphere.
The Chinese Navy is better than North Korea's by a long shot, but still not in the same stratosphere as the United States
Total Naval Strength: 520
Aircraft Carriers: 1
Frigates: 45
Destroyers: 24
Corvettes: 9
Submarines: 69
Coastal Defense Craft: 353
Mine Warfare: 119
But again, most of their stuff is in coastal defense. 1 carrier to 10, and the carrier is the ship that defines Naval power in the world today.
Who wants that.
I'm no fan of war, and no fan of the US's ridiculously sized military budget. Still, the "reward" for that budget is a dominant military.
The bigger point to all this was that despite some of our dumb laws I'm not in favor of, we are still the most dominant country the world has ever seen. And you don't even have to apply it military. Economically and culturally our reach extends further than any other country in the history of the world. Not bad for being a bunch of dumbasses here. I'm hardly a jingoist but the snide little "US sucks" comments get old after a while.