Kanter traded to OKC

[addictionary]

I've been a supporter of his longer than anyone on this site.. well, at least going back to pre-draft.. but I have also called it like I see it. He isn't now, nor will ever be, a starting C or PF on a contending team, because his defense is too weak.

Yeah of course. But I need some time to check his defense in that OKC team because I think he is a decent defender at post, pick and roll and man to man but just sucks at it for other reasons than talent. Defense is not only hustle it's also prediction of your opponent's movement. I thought he might be playing bad because of his felt pressure of expectations from the team he was drafted high by. So going somewhere else might clear a lot of **** up if my suspicion comes up true. Wouldn't hurt to look for a few more sparks to light up the Enes excitement.

 

[veji1]

Kanter isn't a "bad" player, he just is an old fashioned back to the basket bruiser with good offensive abilities. In the old pre zone days he could have been trained to be a decent enough man to man defender, but the problem is that in a no Hand check / Zone defense / 3Pt focus type of era, his slow feet and limited help defense abilities become a massive problem if the rest of the team defense doesn't mitigate that : Put him in Chicago like Boozer and would have done great without damaging too much the defense. Put him on a naive and young Jazz team with average to poor team defenders, and it doesn't work, he would have to be offensively dominant to compensate, and he isn't that, at least not yet.

My point is that he could very well become a very good contributing player in the right team. Maybe not 3rd pick worth, but very good. Problem was it wasn't going to happen in Utah and the possibility that Gobert gives this team were so much better that the choice was all clear to all. Kanter's strong arming the FO into a trade was good thinking on his part, and sucked for the FO, but there wasn't much to be done.

 

[Jan]

I've had it with Kanter's empty stats. Scores 2 at one end, gives up 2 at the other. Nice rebound, only to turn it over or not pass out.


If it doesn't translate to wins on the board, it's useless to me.

I would like to hear why you believe they are empty stats as what stated is not good enough. What is important is that he actually does get the points when he takes a shot as his defence is concerned he is just average and has continued to improve every year and seems to be targeted due to not getting enough blocks which is pointless as blocks tends to give the possession back to the opposing team and does not mean that the player is good at defence just because he gets blocks more often. If you watch him play he does go infront of opposing player and tries to make it more difficult which equate to missed shots. Most Jazz fans seem to forget they are rebuilding and are looking for a escape goat for losing when rebuilding which is insane. The reason he was pissed off and asked for a trade was because he wanted to continue to play and cited that he did not have an eye injury, which was the reason given to why he was subbed off. Also it is delusional to think he would not pass in Oklahoma due to the fact he did not in Utah as apart from Hayward is there any other options. I would like to see which player would be next in the firing line as people forget these are young players.. hopefully there would not be any other players mishandled as the team was slowly starting to gel.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Does OKC already have a smarter version of Kanter in Mitch McGary?

 

[framer]

I would like to hear why you believe they are empty stats as what stated is not good enough. What is important is that he actually does get the points when he takes a shot as his defence is concerned he is just average and has continued to improve every year and seems to be targeted due to not getting enough blocks which is pointless as blocks tends to give the possession back to the opposing team and does not mean that the player is good at defence just because he gets blocks more often. If you watch him play he does go infront of opposing player and tries to make it more difficult which equate to missed shots. Most Jazz fans seem to forget they are rebuilding and are looking for a escape goat for losing when rebuilding which is insane. The reason he was pissed off and asked for a trade was because he wanted to continue to play and cited that he did not have an eye injury, which was the reason given to why he was subbed off. Also it is delusional to think he would not pass in Oklahoma due to the fact he did not in Utah as apart from Hayward is there any other options. I would like to see which player would be next in the firing line as people forget these are young players.. hopefully there would not be any other players mishandled as the team was slowly starting to gel.

First of all, "escape goat?"

He gets empty stats because the opposing teams philosophy, EVERY TIME HE IS ON THE FLOOR, is to pick and roll right at him which they do with good success. Keep in mind that when the Jazz were a poor defensive team, they singled out Enes Kanter as the weakest spot of our weak defense. On top of that, him being out of position let the other team score AND get position on offensive boards. Did you notice how Portland had only like 3 offensive boards the entire game on Friday? That is because we played sound P&R Defense and kept them off the hoop.

Block shots matter because people tend to stop shooting normally once they have been blocked. Rudy causes teams to shoot 37% at the rim because they fear him. If teams were dumb and tested Rudy all night he would have 10+ blocks. Teams having to shoot long jumpers tends to the other team winning more often.

Enes doesn't CHOOSE not to pass, Enes is too dense to know where to pass to. He has no awareness, which is why he can't pass, play help defense, and why he gets snuffed by the help defender.

Finally, Enes doesn't win games. Name one game where he put the team on his back and took us home. Even Trey Burke does that once in a while, Enes never has. He isn't a star, he is a role player and although he may improve around the edges, the deficiencies in his game are mental which will be very hard to overcome.

 

[framer]

Does OKC already have a smarter version of Kanter in Mitch McGary?

Don't tell Enes, he may demand another trade.

 

[The Blue Elephant]

First of all, "escape goat?"

He gets empty stats because the opposing teams philosophy, EVERY TIME HE IS ON THE FLOOR, is to pick and roll right at him which they do with good success. Keep in mind that when the Jazz were a poor defensive team, they singled out Enes Kanter as the weakest spot of our weak defense. On top of that, him being out of position let the other team score AND get position on offensive boards. Did you notice how Portland had only like 3 offensive boards the entire game on Friday? That is because we played sound P&R Defense and kept them off the hoop.

Block shots matter because people tend to stop shooting normally once they have been blocked. Rudy causes teams to shoot 37% at the rim because they fear him. If teams were dumb and tested Rudy all night he would have 10+ blocks. Teams having to shoot long jumpers tends to the other team winning more often.

Enes doesn't CHOOSE not to pass, Enes is too dense to know where to pass to. He has no awareness, which is why he can't pass, play help defense, and why he gets snuffed by the help defender.

Finally, Enes doesn't win games. Name one game where he put the team on his back and took us home. Even Trey Burke does that once in a while, Enes never has. He isn't a star, he is a role player and although he may improve around the edges, the deficiencies in his game are mental which will be very hard to overcome.

Enes Kanter last year had the 18th highest amount of assists in the NBA for a center. He was improving every year until this year since it is contract year and also he is playing Trey Burke who shoots at 37% FG and Dante Exum who shoots at 35%.

 

[CAKAR]

Does OKC already have a smarter version of Kanter in Mitch McGary?

I saw McGary last night and he looked like a smart player who really has the ability to pass. But, after i checked his stats I saw the worst passing Big in this leagues. Dude has just two assists the whole season. Maybe analytics just suck.

Yes, in Utah im sure McGray would steal away his minutes, even Ned Flanders would steal away minutes from Kanter playing here. It will be interesting how he will do in OKC and he has tough competition their.

 

[addictionary]

I saw McGary last night and he looked like a smart player who really has the ability to pass. But, after i checked his stats I saw the worst passing Big in this leagues. Dude has just two assists the whole season. Maybe analytics just suck.

Yes, in Utah im sure McGray would steal away his minutes, even Ned Flanders would steal away minutes from Kanter playing here. It will be interesting how he will do in OKC and he has tough competition their.

Flanders would never steal Kanter's minutes becuase it is a sin to steal.

 

[The Blue Elephant]

Utah fanz really like these hussle undersized white guy centers. No wonder many of you guys wanted to draft Cole Aldrich instead of Gordon Hayward.

 

[MTS]

Utah fanz really like these hussle undersized white guy centers. No wonder many of you guys wanted to draft Cole Aldrich instead of Gordon Hayward.

Why are you trolling Utah fans?

 

[Coach Ellis]

Why are you trolling Utah fans?

Because they fall for it. Kanter's not bad, but he's not great either. I don't think he's a long term starter and he actually would have looked good playing next to Gobert through the end of the season. Jazz took the easy way out. Considering the protections on the pick they get back, I'd have very much considered starting Gobert and Favors and just moving Kanter into the 3rd big role off the bench. Then see what your options are after RFA comes around. But I can see why they moved on. Just wish they would have cut a deal with an Eastern Conference team instead.